What we face: Facts delivered by the top experts

THEYWILLNEVERSAIL said:
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Sorry about your arm.
 
Sailor said:
LMAO! If anyone knows about making threats behind a keyboard that would you wimpy. Seriously. STFU.
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If you try to get violent because Trump loses the election again you can’t win anything but a trip to prison or death
 
evince said:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2DalD8v6bKg



Since the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol, University of Chicago Prof. Robert Pape has been closely observing the threats to our democracy. Now, the renowned terrorism expert and director of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats (CPOST) says that violent ideas coming from a dedicated minority are moving from fringe to mainstream.

In 2021, Pape's team, along with NORC at the University of Chicago, launched the Dangers to Democracy tracker, an ongoing series of surveys to track Americans' thoughts and attitudes about political violence. In one recent survey, about 12 million Americans said they believe violence is justified to restore Trump to power. Still, Pape believes the data may give us some answers about how to move forward, and how to strengthen the center.
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Go to minute 21.00 if you only want to hear the solutions



Do you want a solution or a civil war?
 
evince said:
He found that the aggressors on J/6 were surprisingly from Blue states and their denser populated areas

Not Rural poor from red states

They were professionals and CEOs


Their main reason was “Replacement theory”
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Most were mentally ill too.

Mental Illness Insurrection
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/q...ntal-health-not-radical-extremism-11616703136
In court records of people arrested in the wake of the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection, 68% reported they had received mental health diagnoses

Q anon arrested insurrection capitol riot mental illness
https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_PIRUS_QAnon_Feb2021.pdf

A majority of the people arrested for Capitol riot had a history of financial trouble
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...surrectionists-jenna-ryan-financial-problems/
A majority of the people arrested for Capitol riot had a history of financial trouble
Trail of bankruptcies, tax problems and bad debts raises questions for researchers trying to understand motivations for attack
Nearly 60 percent of the people facing charges related to the Capitol riot showed signs of prior money troubles, including bankruptcies, notices of eviction or foreclosure, bad debts, or unpaid taxes over the past two decades, according to a Washington Post analysis of public records for 125 defendants with sufficient information to detail their financial histories.
 
evince said:
Wow

That makes a lot of sense for
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MAGAts be cray-cray.

Notice that the cases were prior to the Insurrection and that not all mentally ill people report they have problems.

Also note that most mentally ill people have deep financial problems so the 2/3s who are mental and the 2/3s who are in financial difficulties are likely to have a lot of overlap.
 
evince said:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2DalD8v6bKg



Since the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol, University of Chicago Prof. Robert Pape has been closely observing the threats to our democracy. Now, the renowned terrorism expert and director of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats (CPOST) says that violent ideas coming from a dedicated minority are moving from fringe to mainstream.

In 2021, Pape's team, along with NORC at the University of Chicago, launched the Dangers to Democracy tracker, an ongoing series of surveys to track Americans' thoughts and attitudes about political violence. In one recent survey, about 12 million Americans said they believe violence is justified to restore Trump to power. Still, Pape believes the data may give us some answers about how to move forward, and how to strengthen the center.
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What is scary is that both sides tended to favor violence. They differed on issues like whether there was election fraud, but showed little differences on the willingness to use violence or force.

https://d3qi0qp55mx5f5.cloudfront.n...CPOST-NORC_Survey_Report.pdf?mtime=1690380798
 
Flash said:
What is scary is that both sides tended to favor violence. They differed on issues like whether there was election fraud, but showed little differences on the willingness to use violence or force.

https://d3qi0qp55mx5f5.cloudfront.n...CPOST-NORC_Survey_Report.pdf?mtime=1690380798
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Nice report:

Conclusion
The best course to defend democracy in the coming months is going further down the path that has achieved
progress. The wedge issue that works for democracy is opposition to violence itself. So, our leaders across the
political spectrum should mobilize the vast majority of both Republicans and Democrats who oppose political
violence and support peaceful means of resolving disputes. The results of the mid-term elections on
November 8, 2022 provide evidence that this approach can work. Our leaders should follow up this
momentum to endorse more bipartisan solutions to safeguard American democracy going forward.
 
evince said:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2DalD8v6bKg



Since the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol, University of Chicago Prof. Robert Pape has been closely observing the threats to our democracy. Now, the renowned terrorism expert and director of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats (CPOST) says that violent ideas coming from a dedicated minority are moving from fringe to mainstream.

In 2021, Pape's team, along with NORC at the University of Chicago, launched the Dangers to Democracy tracker, an ongoing series of surveys to track Americans' thoughts and attitudes about political violence. In one recent survey, about 12 million Americans said they believe violence is justified to restore Trump to power. Still, Pape believes the data may give us some answers about how to move forward, and how to strengthen the center.
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OMG! That place--Dangers to Democracy tracker-- and the people, like Pape, that run it are as bad, possibly worse, than the Southern Poverty Law Center in their overwhelming bias against the Right.

https://d3qi0qp55mx5f5.cloudfront.n...l_Violence_Survey_Report.pdf?mtime=1690317909
https://cpost.uchicago.edu/research/apv/surveys/

The sole focus of this project is to vilify Trump from everything I've read in it. If you were reading it, you'd think Trump and his supporters are the sole and only threat to democracy and the government of the United States.

That sort of bias makes the Stupid Pathetic Liar's Cabal (SPLC) who have been repeatedly found libel for their lies and bias against Right wing institutions, individuals, and groups look mild and almost sane by comparison.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Nice report:

Conclusion
The best course to defend democracy in the coming months is going further down the path that has achieved
progress. The wedge issue that works for democracy is opposition to violence itself. So, our leaders across the
political spectrum should mobilize the vast majority of both Republicans and Democrats who oppose political
violence and support peaceful means of resolving disputes. The results of the mid-term elections on
November 8, 2022 provide evidence that this approach can work. Our leaders should follow up this
momentum to endorse more bipartisan solutions to safeguard American democracy going forward.
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Except that Pape and company only want that done to Conservative groups on the Right. They could care less about the radical Left.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
OMG! That place--Dangers to Democracy tracker--...

....The sole focus of this project is to vilify Trump from everything I've read in it.
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Do you really not see a problem with Trump's treason and his theft of America's nuclear secrets to sell to our enemies? Is that what you did when you were in, Terry?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
OMG! That place--Dangers to Democracy tracker-- and the people, like Pape, that run it are as bad, possibly worse, than the Southern Poverty Law Center in their overwhelming bias against the Right.

https://d3qi0qp55mx5f5.cloudfront.n...l_Violence_Survey_Report.pdf?mtime=1690317909
https://cpost.uchicago.edu/research/apv/surveys/

The sole focus of this project is to vilify Trump from everything I've read in it. If you were reading it, you'd think Trump and his supporters are the sole and only threat to democracy and the government of the United States.

That sort of bias makes the Stupid Pathetic Liar's Cabal (SPLC) who have been repeatedly found libel for their lies and bias against Right wing institutions, individuals, and groups look mild and almost sane by comparison.
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Like this is the only source.

There are actually quite a few conservatives sounding the alarm about Trump & the threat he represents to democracy & the republic.

It's not some wacked-out partisan thing.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Do you really not see a problem with Trump's treason and his theft of America's nuclear secrets to sell to our enemies? Is that what you did when you were in, Terry?
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Like Biden actually did? Remember, he was bandying around the classified documents he had showing them to people on repeated occasions. I guess you missed that part of the report on his mishandling classified documents.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Except that Pape and company only want that done to Conservative groups on the Right. They could care less about the radical Left.
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The paper calls for both sides to stop the violence.

Why do you want to see the US torn apart with mass murder, Terry?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Show anything throughout those papers that details Leftist violence.
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^^^
Didn't read the report.


(3) Support for political violence against members of Congress and on government officials grew from 9%
(equivalent of 23 million adults) n January 2023 to 12.5% or (the equivalent of 32 million adults) in April
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2023 and continues to come almost equally from the Right and Left. The 32 million breaks down as 10
million Republicans, 8 million Democrats, and 5 million Independents.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Nice report:

Conclusion
The best course to defend democracy in the coming months is going further down the path that has achieved
progress. The wedge issue that works for democracy is opposition to violence itself. So, our leaders across the
political spectrum should mobilize the vast majority of both Republicans and Democrats who oppose political
violence and support peaceful means of resolving disputes. The results of the mid-term elections on
November 8, 2022 provide evidence that this approach can work. Our leaders should follow up this
momentum to endorse more bipartisan solutions to safeguard American democracy going forward.
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The 2022 mid-term resulted in an almost even 50-50% division between the two parties.
 
Doc Dutch said:
^^^
Didn't read the report.


(3) Support for political violence against members of Congress and on government officials grew from 9%
(equivalent of 23 million adults) n January 2023 to 12.5% or (the equivalent of 32 million adults) in April
3
2023 and continues to come almost equally from the Right and Left. The 32 million breaks down as 10
million Republicans, 8 million Democrats, and 5 million Independents.
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That's it? One tiny mention out of pages and pages of details of the Right and support for Trump? They aren't even justifying that.
 
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