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Bernanke: Bear Stearns Wasn't a Bailout

By MARTIN CRUTSINGER,
AP
Posted: 2008-04-02 16:27:36
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Federal Reserve's unprecedented actions to prevent the collapse of Bear Stearns were taken to preserve the "integrity and viability of the American financial system" and did not represent any kind of bailout, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke said Wednesday.

Bernanke told a congressional panel that the Fed and other government agencies were informed on March 13 that without help Bear Stearns Cos. would have to file for bankruptcy the next day, forcing the central bank to make the difficult choice of deciding whether to allow the nation's fifth largest investment bank to collapse or provide assistance.

"Given the current exceptional pressures on the global economy and financial system, the damage caused by a default by Bear Stearns could have been severe and extremely difficult to contain," Bernanke told the Joint Economic Committee.

As part of marathon negotiations over the weekend of March 15-16, the Fed originally agreed to take $30 billion in securities off the books of Bear Stearns to facilitate the acquisition of the firm by JP Morgan Chase & Co. for an original price of around $2 a share.

After an uproar over the terms of the sale, the share price was boosted to around $10 and JP Morgan agreed to assume the risks for the first $1 billion in losses that might occur, lowering the Fed's potential risk to the remaining $29 billion in securities.

While U.S. taxpayers ultimately could be at risk if the Fed cannot sell the securities for the $29 billion, Bernanke said he did not believe the central bank would lose money on the deal and could in fact make money. He said he did not consider the transaction a bailout because of the losses sustained by Bear Stearns shareholders.

"We did not bail out Bear Stearns. Bear Stearns' shareholders took a very significant loss," Bernanke said in response to questions from the committee. "I don't think any company is interested in repeating the experience of Bear Stearns."

Bear Stearns is the most high-profile victim of a severe credit crunch that began in August and has forced some of America's largest financial institutions to declares billions of dollars in losses because of bad investments, many in the area of subprime mortgages.

"We did what we did because we felt it was necessary to preserve the integrity and viability of the American financial system, which in turn is critical for the health of the economy," Bernanke said.

Asked if he thought there were other financial institutions that could be in as much danger of collapse as Bear Stearns, Bernanke said he did not expect a repeat episode but added that "the future is uncertain."

Of the Bear Stearns rescue, Bernanke said, "I hope this is a rare event, and I hope it's not something that we ever have to do again."

The Fed's regional bank in New York hired BlackRock Financial Management Inc. to manage the $30 billion portfolio of securities the Fed obtained from Bear Stearns.

Bernanke said that BlackRock was "reasonably confident that we will be able to recover the full amount if we dispose of these assets on a measured basis, rather than sell them all at once."

On Thursday, Bernanke and officials from the New York Fed, Treasury Department and Securities and Exchange Commission, along with officials from Bear Stearns and JP Morgan, are scheduled to testify before the Senate Banking Committee.

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Bernake said the Fed will make money off the deal. LOL. It's a bailout sure but no where near the bailout greedy homeowners that tried to live past their means are about to get.
 
Bear Sterns Investors will get about 5-6% of their high value in their bailout. Homeowners will get bailed out to get 100% of theirs at the expense of people who made wise decisions.
 
overall it wont hurt us responsible borrowers who didn't buy to much house. a bailout for those caught in the sub prime mess will limit the foreclosures.. keep people in there houses and ultimately drive the market back up.

sit tight people and don't refinance unless it makes total sense.

Here is a tip. When you look at refinancing and you can get a lower rate and save $x a month in payment.. you are basing this savings off of the entire length of the loan. Amortization schedules are similar to the following:
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So every time you refinance you go back to paying high percent of the interest versus the principle on your monthly loan.. so even if it seems like you are saving $x a month its quite short sighted... you actually end up restarting at square 1 paying high amount of interest and low amount of principal.

Its why its such a lucrative market. its easy to entice a borrower with consolidating debt and getting a lower rate when you dangle 5% mortgage rates.. however that 5% is over 'life' of the loan.. calculate the first years interest percent versus the last years and you see how much money they are raking in.
 
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Nobody should get bailed out. They should let the market plummet so more people can get homes. Using tax money to ensure "confidence in the market" is using tax money to facilitate a lie.
 
i think the idea that is floating out there that makes the lender refinance/or take 10% less than the original loan amount is a good idea....this way those refinancing will not be in an upside down mortgage.....paying more than what their home is now worth, making refinancing near impossible as it stands right now from what i have read, so lowering what the loan originator recoups on a refinance will help the owner

AND

It also helps the subprimers cuz they are only taking a 10% write off for their loans verses their customers all going in to foreclosure and having to take a 100% loss!

AND

it helps us....those that own homes within their means....by keeping the home market from FALLING even further, and us losing even more in worth, with our home equity depreciating daily.

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The banks who did this should go under. The people should lose their homes. Let the market correct. This kind of top down socialism is the road to fascism.
 
The banks who did this should go under. The people should lose their homes. Let the market correct. This kind of top down socialism is the road to fascism.
i know you are right, it's just hard to swallow when you are a law abiding citizen, worked hard all your life, take your savings and buy a house outright last year in good faith and negotiations, thinking you are being a good steward with your money....for your nestegg a decade down the road....

then to see you LOSE money on your thoughtful, wise decision because of EVERYONE ELSE's mistakes and or greed, is a little hard to swallow....thus the willingness
to prostitute my values..... bwhaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! :(

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The problem with just letting the banks go down is it could crash our entire economy.

Im not happy about the bear stearns thing but if it was not done we really could have crashed completely.
 
Perhaps our economy deserves to crash, and we will be stronger in the long run if things run their course ?

One reason we are where we are today is becuase thing have been artificially pumped up for quite a while.
 
The problem with just letting the banks go down is it could crash our entire economy.

Im not happy about the bear stearns thing but if it was not done we really could have crashed completely.

Our economy is merely a control apparatus, with bogus entities assuming control over our resources and selling them back to us.

Our economy is based on personal irresponsibility. Glance at the average person's credit card statement. If people actually acted responsibly on a personal level and saved, the corporations and banks would pronounce the economy a failure, because personal responsibility is anathema to those who seek control over us.
 
If people exercised personal financial responsibility our economy would crash. Our current economy is based on overspending and maxxed out credit.
Most of the banks increases in profits for several years have been based on penalties and such, not growth.
 
Perhaps our economy deserves to crash, and we will be stronger in the long run if things run their course ?

One reason we are where we are today is becuase thing have been artificially pumped up for quite a while.
Hey uscit! :)
Yes it was artificially inflated by loose money practices, increasing the demand overnight, bringing in the seller's market...and for a much longer, extended period than normal...

And YES the real estate market was in a bubble and over inflated...

And YES readjustment to this market is necessary and prices need to come down on them....but THAT does not seem to be a problem, that is taking place...no questions on that one....

HOWEVER, a needed readjustment of a market due to unsound business mistakes is one thing, but allowing ALL ELSE in the economy to fail because of the over reaction to it would be wrong also...we can not allow a run on the banks so to say, to happen.... it is NOT in our entire country's best interest to do so.

I guess I am saying the fed has the duty to allow a correction to take place, but not to allow the whole market and economy to crash due to an OVER REACTION to the problem....

Care
 
Hey uscit! :)
Yes it was artificially inflated by loose money practices, increasing the demand overnight, bringing in the seller's market...and for a much longer, extended period than normal...

And YES the real estate market was in a bubble and over inflated...

And YES readjustment to this market is necessary and prices need to come down on them....but THAT does not seem to be a problem, that is taking place...no questions on that one....

HOWEVER, a needed readjustment of a market due to unsound business mistakes is one thing, but allowing ALL ELSE in the economy to fail because of the over reaction to it would be wrong also...we can not allow a run on the banks so to say, to happen.... it is NOT in our entire country's best interest to do so.

I guess I am saying the fed has the duty to allow a correction to take place, but not to allow the whole market and economy to crash due to an OVER REACTION to the problem....

Care

I think it is the best thing that could happen. Maybe the lesson you should learn is "Question Authority". But of course many prefer the safety and sureness of lies and totalitarianism over the more complex reality offered by clear-thinking and freedom.
 
My position is if there is too little pain from all thais finiancial folly we will learn nothing and keep going down the road to full ruin for our nation.

The great Depression was an impressive teacher. We seem to have forgotten all it's lessons though.
 
I think it is the best thing that could happen. Maybe the lesson you should learn is "Question Authority". But of course many prefer the safety and sureness of lies and totalitarianism over the more complex reality offered by clear-thinking and freedom.

Not really on the ''many prefer the ...safety of the lies.."

Many know that questioning Authority is a waste of time, that we are beyond being able to control them....you question them all the time...have YOU seen any changes? Some of us are older and have been through that stage and understand much of the slight of hand that is going on in this world but have also come to the conclusion that if you want change at this point, you have to work the system undercover and from within it as best as possible in the mean time...before the proverbial Revolution takes place... :D


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