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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

"Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227). "

"Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.

-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.

-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent."

"-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition."

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How very telling. I look forward to the liberal responses.
 
And much of these "donations" are associated with the churches where you get a sandwich and a sermon.

I perfer the sandwich come without a sermon.
 
Desh said:
And much of these "donations" are associated with the churches where you get a sandwich and a sermon.

I perfer the sandwich come without a sermon.
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Ok.... but that doesn't stop liberals from donating to charity does it? You are still free to donate to non-religious charities. Such as the American Stroke Association, American Heart Association etc...
 
Chapdog said:
its easy to preach from the pulpit.
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Preaching and pulpits have a lot to do with it. My guess is that religion more than political ideology is the key indicator here and that self-described conservatives are more religious than self-described liberals. As a result, you get more charitable giving from conservatives but not because they are conservative but because they are religious (tithing).

I'd also like to see volunteerism by political ideology. Conservatives may be more likely to donate money (after all, money is the only thing that matters to them) whereas liberals may be more likely to donate their time.
 
Umm dem voters tend to be poorer and do not have as much extra money to give....
The money is handier than a tax write off to some.
 
I would bet most of those donations are taken at church.

There are more people like me who so not attend any church.

Some are required by religion to tithe (sp) to get to heaven.

I also believe like many on the left that there are other ways to approach these problems which will be much more comprehensive in their scope.
 
uscitizen said:
Umm dem voters tend to be poorer and do not have as much extra money to give....
The money is handier than a tax write off to some.
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You clearly didn't read the article:

"Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227). "
 
Damocles said:
You clearly didn't read the article:

"Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227). "
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I read the article, just am unsure of it's accuracy. I go by what i have seen and learned.
 
Dungheap said:
Preaching and pulpits have a lot to do with it. My guess is that religion more than political ideology is the key indicator here and that self-described conservatives are more religious than self-described liberals. As a result, you get more charitable giving from conservatives but not because they are conservative but because they are religious (tithing).

I'd also like to see volunteerism by political ideology. Conservatives may be more likely to donate money (after all, money is the only thing that matters to them) whereas liberals may be more likely to donate their time.
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A good point on the religious aspect. That is also brought up by the article.

As for your giving of time argument.... This was also stated in the article...

"Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood."
 
uscitizen said:
I read the article, just am unsure of it's accuracy. I go by what i have seen and learned.
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I see. You ignore the scientific evidence researched by a University Professor and peer-reviewed for your more noble, "It just feels this way." approach. And you believe how and why about global warming?
 
What US said, and using the way a particular state voted in an election as an indicator of whether liberals or conservatives give more to charity. That's way too Danecdotal for me. Who knows, maybe the conservatives in blue states don't give shit.
 
Damocles said:
I see. You ignore the scientific evidence researched by a University Professor and peer-reviewed for your more noble, "It just feels this way." approach. And you believe how and why about global warming?
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Damo I was against 80% of america about the iraq war and how great a thing bush was and I was correct.

I will go with myself, thank you.
 
uscitizen said:
Damo I was against 80% of america about the iraq war and how great a thing bush was and I was correct.

I will go with myself, thank you.
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Right, not exactly the same thing when compared to peer-reviewed publications and actual stats. And you forget that I was also right about the Iraq war. Deliberately ignoring facts because you want to believe that those you associate yourself as being part of are "better" somehow, does not equate to being right in a case where the facts actually are against you.
 
Damocles said:
I see. You ignore the scientific evidence researched by a University Professor and peer-reviewed for your more noble, "It just feels this way." approach. And you believe how and why about global warming?
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Using averages is laziness and imprecise and too subject to distribution skews. I'd like to see whether the rich liberals give more than the rich conservatives and whether the poor liberals give more than the poor conservatives.
 
Dungheap said:
Using averages is laziness and imprecise and too subject to distribution skews. I'd like to see whether the rich liberals give more than the rich conservatives and whether the poor liberals give more than the poor conservatives.
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The book covered far more than just averages...

The single biggest predictor of someone's altruism, Willett says, is religion. It increasingly correlates with conservative political affiliations because, as Brooks' book says, "the percentage of self-described Democrats who say they have 'no religion' has more than quadrupled since the early 1970s." America is largely divided between religious givers and secular nongivers, and the former are disproportionately conservative. One demonstration that religion is a strong determinant of charitable behavior is that the least charitable cohort is a relatively small one -- secular conservatives.
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According to the study, the largest factor isn't how much is made, it is how religious one is.
 
Ahh Damo, you know how data can be "massaged", and statistics played many ways.
Especially to sell books or ideology.
 
uscitizen said:
Ahh Damo, you know how data can be "massaged", and statistics played many ways.
Especially to sell books or ideology.
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Sure, you can also just ignore the data and just pretend it doesn't exist so you can continue to believe that the Sun circles the Earth. But it doesn't make it different to what actually is.
 
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