Why the left needs to be stopped.

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Communal living....communism....

In imperial Russia, the vast majority of Russian peasants held their land in communal ownership within a mir community, which acted as a village government and a cooperative

In the German commune book, Das KommuneBuch, communes are defined by Elisabeth Voß as communities which:
* Live and work together,
* Have a communal economy, i.e. common finances and common property (land, buildings, means of production),
* Have communal decision making - usually consensus decision making,
* Try to reduce hierarchy and hierarchical structures,
* Have communalisation of housework, childcare and other communal tasks,
* Have equality between women and men,
* Have low ecological footprints through sharing and saving resources.

Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a stateless and classless society structured upon common ownership of the means of production, free access to articles of consumption, the end of wage labour and private property in the means of production and real estate.

The Communist Party stands for the interests of the American working class and the American people. It stands for our interests in both the present and the future. Solidarity with workers of other countries is also part of our work. We work in coalition with the labor movement, the peace movement, the student movement, organizations fighting for equality and social justice, the environmental movement, immigrants rights groups and the health care for all campaign.

But to win a better life for working families, we believe that we must go further. We believe that the American people can replace capitalism with a system that puts people before profit - socialism.


This hardly describes Conservatives or Republicans....more proof you're a pinhead....
 
READ AND LEARN

Communal living....communism....

In imperial Russia, the vast majority of Russian peasants held their land in communal ownership within a mir community, which acted as a village government and a cooperative

In the German commune book, Das KommuneBuch, communes are defined by Elisabeth Voß as communities which:
* Live and work together,
* Have a communal economy, i.e. common finances and common property (land, buildings, means of production),
* Have communal decision making - usually consensus decision making,
* Try to reduce hierarchy and hierarchical structures,
* Have communalisation of housework, childcare and other communal tasks,
* Have equality between women and men,
* Have low ecological footprints through sharing and saving resources.

Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a stateless and classless society structured upon common ownership of the means of production, free access to articles of consumption, the end of wage labour and private property in the means of production and real estate.

The Communist Party stands for the interests of the American working class and the American people. It stands for our interests in both the present and the future. Solidarity with workers of other countries is also part of our work. We work in coalition with the labor movement, the peace movement, the student movement, organizations fighting for equality and social justice, the environmental movement, immigrants rights groups and the health care for all campaign.

But to win a better life for working families, we believe that we must go further. We believe that the American people can replace capitalism with a system that puts people before profit - socialism.


This hardly describes Conservatives or Republicans....more proof you're a pinhead....

Imperial Russia was pre-1917 Einstein...LOL

The Communist Party stands for the interests of the American working class and the American people. It stands for our interests in both the present and the future. Solidarity with workers of other countries is also part of our work. We work in coalition with the labor movement, the peace movement, the student movement, organizations fighting for equality and social justice, the environmental movement, immigrants rights groups and the health care for all campaign.

You're right, those values are the antithesis of Conservatives or Republicans.

Just like I said:
Republicans and conservatives are trying to do away with the middle class
Republicans and conservatives are trying to give more power to Corporations
Republicans and conservatives are trying to take away workers rights
Republicans and conservatives are trying to bust unions
Republicans and conservatives are trying to curtail union organizing

It is not an opinion, it is a FACT!

Thank you for proving my point. But here's your problem, those values are not the reality of the Soviet Union.

Communism, or "scientific socialism", has very little to do with Marx. Communism was originally envisioned by Marx and Engels as the last stages of their socialist revolution. "The meaning of the word communism shifted after 1917, when Vladimir Lenin and his Bolshevik Party seized power in Russia. The Bolsheviks changed their name to the Communist Party and installed a repressive, single-party regime devoted to the implementation of socialist policies." (quote from Encarta.). Those socialist policies were never implemented.

Whereas Marx saw industrialized workers rising up to take over control of their means of production, the exact opposite happened. Most countries that have gone Communist have been agrarian underdeveloped nations. The prime example is the Soviet Union. The best thing to be said about the October Revolution in 1917 is that the new government was better than the Tsars. The worst thing is that they trusted the wrong people, notably Lenin, to lead this upheaval. The Soviet Union officially abandoned socialism in 1921 when Lenin instituted the New Economic Policy allowing for taxation, local trade, some state capitalism... and extreme profiteering. Later that year, he purged 259,000 from the party membership and therefore purged them from voting (shades of the US election of 2000!) and fewer and fewer people were involved in making decisions.

Marxism became Marxist-Leninism which became Stalinism. The Wikipedia entry for Stalinism: "The term Stalinism was used by anti-Soviet Marxists, particularly Trotskyists, to distinguish the policies of the Soviet Union from those they regard as more true to Marxism. Trotskyists argue that the Stalinist USSR was not socialist, but a bureaucratized degenerated workers state that is, a state in which exploitation is controlled by a ruling caste which, while it did not own the means of production and was not a social class in its own right, accrued benefits and privileges at the expense of the working class."

Communists defending Stalin were driven by Cognitive Dissonance. "The existence of dissonance, being psychologically uncomfortable, motivates the person to reduce the dissonance and leads to avoidance of information likely to increase the dissonance." They didn't want to hear any criticism, and would go out of their way to deny facts. The abrupt betrayal of ideals by Lenin and Marx left many socialists clinging to the Soviet Union even though they knew Stalin was a disaster. They called themselves Communist even though they espoused none of Stalin's viewpoints and very few of Lenin's revisionism. In Russia, Lenin remains a Hero of the Revolution. Despite having screwed things up in the first place, Stalin is revered by Communists for toppling the Third Reich.

Conservatives defending George W. Bush are in the same situation as Communists defending Stalin. Stalin was never a "socialist" and Bush was never a "compassionate conservative", but the conservatives just don't want to hear any criticism and will go out of their way to deny facts. The current construction of the conservative movement in the US descends through the anti-Communists during and after WWII, the George Wallace "America First" blue-collar workers, the racists that Wallace picked up that switched parties during Nixon's Southern Strategy, and the nascent libertarian movement championed by Barry Goldwater. Ronald Reagan's acceptance speech for Goldwater during the 1964 Republican National Convention laid out the insistence of a balanced budget: "There can be no security anywhere in the free world if there is no fiscal and economic stability within the United States." And yet, like Lenin revising Marx, when Reagan was governor of California he didn't practice fiscal restraint. And when he was elected president in 1980 he did the exact opposite of his campaign promise and triple the deficit and there has been "no fiscal and economic stability" since his flip-flop. Fiscal restraint was never implemented.

Abrupt betrayal of ideals of Reagan when he got into power left many conservatives clinging to the Republican party even though they espoused none of Reagan's new policies. Despite screwing things up in the first place, Reagan remains a Hero of the Revolution and is revered by conservatives for toppling the Soviet Union.

Reagan isn't Lenin and Bush isn't Stalin, but the parallels are notable. George W. Bush, like Stalin, inherits a failed revolution that relies on a cult-like worship of his predecessors and a complete denial of the facts.

Let me repeat Wikipedia's quote. "Stalinism is a state in which exploitation is controlled by a ruling caste.... at the expense of the working class." This is the exact opposite of what Marx and Engels were trying to accomplish, and is precisely what George W. Bush and the Republicans are working so hard for.

Most of the Republicans/conservatives/dittoheads I know are basically good people, but they're gullible fools who have spent more than 20 years burying themselves in lies needed to resolve the cognitive dissonance created by Reagan's betrayal. Reagan called the Soviet Union an "evil empire", but as we've seen it wasn't much of an empire and most of the people in it aren't particularly evil. Khrushchev repudiated Stalin after he died in 1953, but wasn't strong enough to change the system or the cult worship that kept the dictatorship alive. Republicans need to repudiate Reagan, but there is no one out there who has the guts to tell the truth. The GOP is reduced to whining, flag-waving and outright lying. The shame of being a conservative has never been greater.


Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
 
Sadly.....these are the facts....

http://www.cpusa.org/communist-party-resolves-all-hands-on-deck-for-the-2010-midterm-elections/
Communist Party Resolves: All hands on deck for the 2010 midterm elections


Whereas, The ultra-right Republicans have unleashed a lavishly financed campaign of obstruction and misinformation with the aim of taking back majority control of Congress and nullifying the people's gains won in 2008.
Whereas, The ultra-right is whipping up overt and coded racism to divide the people with barely veiled incitements to violence against President Obama and other African American and Latino elected officials, as well as anti-immigrant hysteria; and
Whereas, Recent victories in Congress such as passage of Health Care Reform legislation with not a single Republican yes vote exposes the Republicans as the "Party of NO." .............

And the rhetoric of lies, re-enforced by the main stream media just goes on and on...read what the COMMUNISTS of AMERICA SAY....

I'm not making it up........Democrats = Communists
 
Sadly.....these are the facts....

http://www.cpusa.org/communist-party-resolves-all-hands-on-deck-for-the-2010-midterm-elections/
Communist Party Resolves: All hands on deck for the 2010 midterm elections


Whereas, The ultra-right Republicans have unleashed a lavishly financed campaign of obstruction and misinformation with the aim of taking back majority control of Congress and nullifying the people's gains won in 2008.
Whereas, The ultra-right is whipping up overt and coded racism to divide the people with barely veiled incitements to violence against President Obama and other African American and Latino elected officials, as well as anti-immigrant hysteria; and
Whereas, Recent victories in Congress such as passage of Health Care Reform legislation with not a single Republican yes vote exposes the Republicans as the "Party of NO." .............

And the rhetoric of lies, re-enforced by the main stream media just goes on and on...read what the COMMUNISTS of AMERICA SAY....

I'm not making it up........Democrats = Communists

They are exactly right. Those are the facts. That IS what happened. And it IS sad that ultra-right Republicans are un-American scum.

People can call themselves whatever they want. If a group of Americans want to call themselves communist, that is their right. But it still has nothing to do with the communism we saw in Russia...which is conservative.

And word bound right wing morons like you are just a group of really stupid people where reality and reason are overwhelmed by words and labels that trigger the fear and paranoia that is the core of the right wing mind.


Waterloo * FrumForum

At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.
 
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They are exactly right. Those are the facts. That IS what happened. And it IS sad that ultra-right Republicans are un-American scum.

People can call themselves whatever they want. If a group of Americans want to call themselves communist, that is their right. But it still has nothing to do with the communism we saw in Russia...which is conservative.

And word bound right wing morons like you are just a group of really stupid people where reality and reason are overwhelmed by words and labels that trigger the fear and paranoia that is the core of the right wing mind.


Waterloo * FrumForum

At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.

So you do agree with the propaganda of the Communist Party of the USA....at least you're honest about it....so we can agree...

Democrats = Communists....


[SIZE=+1]Communist Party USA Reveals: We're Using the Democrat Party[/SIZE]
associatedcontent.com ^ * December 3, 2010

Not too awful long ago I wrote about the Communist Party USA and their support for many of the identical principles endorsed by the Democrat Party here in the US. I listed the various similarities but now I have some even more honest words from the Communists themselves. Joe Sims, co-editor of the Communist Party USA online magazine Peoples World states among other things "the possibility that the communists may be able to "capture' the Democratic Party entirely." Read that slowly and carefully..."the possibility that the communists may be able to "capture' the Democratic Party entirely."
Joe Sims is a proud little Commie. He goes on to brag that among other things, "heightened class and democratic struggle...all have combined to produce an unprecedented situation - and opportunity." How long have I been railing on against this Democrat Party effort to frame the current political debate as one of class? Clearly even the ones seeking to wage this struggle freely admit that is their effort and how said effort is an "opportunity" for them?
They are seeking to destroy this nation and they are using Democrats to wage class warfare, pitting imaginary groups of haves against equally imaginary underclasses. The US has no class structure at all...never has. Monarchies had them. Europe had them. China had them. India had them, but the US NEVER had them. NEVER! For anyone over 40 or so, does this sound like a good thing? Do ya remember the old time Communists?
Communism is responsible for more human misery than the Nazi's ever hoped to cause and by one big, huge, massive, overwhelming, undeniable margin. Even blaming Hitler for every death in WWII in wartime Europe, the Communists, since the October Revolution in 1917, makes Hitler look like a minor schoolyard bully.

(Excerpt) Read more at associatedcontent.com ...
 
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They are exactly right. Those are the facts. That IS what happened. And it IS sad that ultra-right Republicans are un-American scum.

There is no "ultra right" in the US....they don't exist

People can call themselves whatever they want. If a group of Americans want to call themselves communist, that is their right. But it still has nothing to do with the communism we saw in Russia...which is conservative.

The Communist Party USA (CPUSA) is a Marxist-Leninist political party in the United States, established in 1919.

Emerging from the organized Left Wing of the Socialist Party of America, the first American Communists sought to build support among American workers to overthrow capitalism, support the Soviet Union and implement what later was known as Stalinism by establishing a dictatorship of the proletariat in America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA


Its no wonder you're a Democrat....


And word bound right wing morons like you are just a group of really stupid people where reality and reason are overwhelmed by words and labels that trigger the fear and paranoia that is the core of the right wing mind.


Waterloo * FrumForum

At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.
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A communist? I'm a liberal. Communism is conservative. Thomas Jefferson was a liberal. Conservatives in 1776 were called Tories, Redcoats and Lobsterbacks. They supported the crown.

oh come on....if you had been alive back in 1776 you would have been rooting for "big government" and higher taxes......you obviously would have been a Loyalist.....
 
'Limited government power' is not a panacea. You have to be aware of WHAT will replace it. It it not a zero sum game. Power does not evaporate. Today's Republican party and conservatism in general is a Trojan horse for corporate takeover of power. THAT is what has happened in this country and it is THE root cause of our economic collapse, our dwindling middle class, union busting, stagnate wages and less safe working conditions.

The right is TOTALLY obtuse to the dangers of corporate owned government. Because it IS conservatism...building aristocracies, plutocracies and oligarchies.
We should expect government to be jealous of that as well. The assumption is freedom means corporatism, and it is a poor and fumbling assumption indeed. Those on the left assume much about those on the right, and this poor assumption is a common one.
 

Nice move Einstein...by fucking with the post, this is all that appears when I hit 'Quote"...can't you just answer with paragraphs at the end of my posts?

Wikipedia articles can be edited by anyone with access to the site.

Can you find anywhere on CPUSA's site where it says anything about Stalinism or wanting to establish a dictatorship of the proletariat in America?

You say: "There is no "ultra right" in the US....they don't exist" and you claim Thomas Jefferson was a Republican... then WHO is removing Thomas Jefferson from school textbooks...communists, Democrats?

Texas Textbook MASSACRE: 'Ultraconservatives' Approve Radical Changes To State Education Curriculum

AUSTIN, Texas - A far-right faction of the Texas State Board of Education succeeded Friday in injecting conservative ideals into social studies, history and economics lessons that will be taught to millions of students for the next decade.

The Board removed Thomas Jefferson from the Texas curriculum's world history standards on Enlightenment thinking, “replacing him with religious right icon John Calvin.”

Whole article...


"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the Republican party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
Barry Goldwater
 
oh come on....if you had been alive back in 1776 you would have been rooting for "big government" and higher taxes......you obviously would have been a Loyalist.....

Loyalists were American colonists who remained loyal to the Kingdom of Great Britain (and the British monarchy) during the American Revolutionary War. They were often referred to as Tories, Royalists, or King's Men by the Patriots, those who supported the revolution. When their cause was defeated, about 20% of the Loyalists fled or were driven out of the US to resettle in other parts of the British Empire, in Britain or elsewhere in British North America, especially East Ontario and New Brunswick, where they were called United Empire Loyalists; some went to the British West Indies, especially the Bahamas. Black Loyalists made up some of the Loyalist community but were compensated by British claims procedures.

Historians have estimated that between 15 and 20 percent of the white population of the colonies were Loyalists.

Psychology of Loyalism

Larabee (1948) has identified eight characteristics of the Loyalists that made them essentially conservative. Psychologically they were older, better established, and resisted innovation. They thought resistance to the Crown—the legitimate government—was morally wrong. They were alienated when the Patriots resorted to violence, such as burning houses and tarring and feathering. They wanted to take a middle-of-the road position and were angry when forced by the Patriots to declare their opposition. They had a long-standing sentimental attachment to Britain (often with business and family links). They were procrastinators who realized that independence was bound to come some day, but wanted to postpone the moment. They were rightly cautious and afraid of anarchy or tyranny that might come from mob rule, which did cost many their property and security after the revolution. Some say they were pessimists who lacked the confidence in the future displayed by the Patriots, while others point to the memory and dreadful experience of many Scottish immigrants who had already seen or paid the price of rebellion in dispossession and clearance from their prior homeland.

Conservatism in Early American History by Leonard Woods Labaree
 
and YOU support big government and taxation, as did the Loyalists.....and clearly not like those who revolted against it......face it, the left has nothing in common with those who started this country.......
 
and YOU support big government and taxation, as did the Loyalists.....and clearly not like those who revolted against it......face it, the left has nothing in common with those who started this country.......

I will grace you this one time with knowledge, something you're devoid of.

First - Our founding fathers created a GOVERNMENT.

Second - the Boston Tea Party was not a revolt against higher taxes. It was a revolt against huge corporate tax cuts for the British East India Company, the largest trans-national corporation then in existence. This corporate tax cut threatened to decimate small Colonial businesses by helping the British East India Company pull a Wal-Mart against small entrepreneurial tea shops, and individuals began a revolt that kicked-off a series of events that ended in the creation of The United States of America.


"The equal rights of man, and the happiness of every individual, are now acknowledged to be the only legitimate objects of government. Modern times have the signal advantage, too, of having discovered the only device by which these rights can be secured, to wit: government by the people, acting not in person, but by representatives chosen by themselves, that is to say, by every man of ripe years and sane mind, who contributes either by his purse or person to the support of his country."
Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823. ME 15:482
 
We should expect government to be jealous of that as well. The assumption is freedom means corporatism, and it is a poor and fumbling assumption indeed. Those on the left assume much about those on the right, and this poor assumption is a common one.

It's not a poor and fumbling assumption, it's the truth. Corporatism is what freedom means to you fascist globalist nutsuckers.

The assumption is excellent and accurate.
 
Yeah, you are missing something......the left needs to be stopped because there should be no partnership between unions and government, anymore than there should be a partnership between religion and government.....

...or between corporations and government...
 
Jefferson was a "Democratic Republican"....later known as Republicans....
He actually is the founder of the Republican Party....

Jefferson was one of the most influential of the founding fathers...and supporter of "Republicanism".....
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CPUSA is well known for telling their members to vote for Democrats in elections because their goals are so closely intertwined....

Look it up asshole, it a fact.

Liberals I can tolerate, you're a pinhead.

How many members does CPUSA have?
 
Sadly.....these are the facts....

http://www.cpusa.org/communist-party-resolves-all-hands-on-deck-for-the-2010-midterm-elections/
Communist Party Resolves: All hands on deck for the 2010 midterm elections


Whereas, The ultra-right Republicans have unleashed a lavishly financed campaign of obstruction and misinformation with the aim of taking back majority control of Congress and nullifying the people's gains won in 2008.
Whereas, The ultra-right is whipping up overt and coded racism to divide the people with barely veiled incitements to violence against President Obama and other African American and Latino elected officials, as well as anti-immigrant hysteria; and
Whereas, Recent victories in Congress such as passage of Health Care Reform legislation with not a single Republican yes vote exposes the Republicans as the "Party of NO." .............

And the rhetoric of lies, re-enforced by the main stream media just goes on and on...read what the COMMUNISTS of AMERICA SAY....

I'm not making it up........Democrats = Communists

How many voting members does CPUSA have, Skousen?
 
There is no "ultra right" in the US....they don't exist.

"The John Birch Society is an American radical right-wing[1][2] political advocacy group that supports anti-communism, limited government, a Constitutional Republic[3][4] and personal freedom."[5]

The Communist Party USA (CPUSA) is a Marxist-Leninist political party in the United States, established in 1919.

Emerging from the organized Left Wing of the Socialist Party of America, the first American Communists sought to build support among American workers to overthrow capitalism, support the Soviet Union and implement what later was known as Stalinism by establishing a dictatorship of the proletariat in America.

How many voting members does the CPUSA have?

Its no wonder you're a Democrat....

The same reason you're a Bircher?
 
I will grace you this one time with knowledge, something you're devoid of.

First - Our founding fathers created a GOVERNMENT.

Second - the Boston Tea Party was not a revolt against higher taxes. It was a revolt against huge corporate tax cuts for the British East India Company, the largest trans-national corporation then in existence. This corporate tax cut threatened to decimate small Colonial businesses by helping the British East India Company pull a Wal-Mart against small entrepreneurial tea shops, and individuals began a revolt that kicked-off a series of events that ended in the creation of The United States of America.


"The equal rights of man, and the happiness of every individual, are now acknowledged to be the only legitimate objects of government. Modern times have the signal advantage, too, of having discovered the only device by which these rights can be secured, to wit: government by the people, acting not in person, but by representatives chosen by themselves, that is to say, by every man of ripe years and sane mind, who contributes either by his purse or person to the support of his country."
Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823. ME 15:482

lol.....hence the slogan "no tax cuts for corporations without representation".......
 
lol.....hence the slogan "no tax cuts for corporations without representation".......

The Boston Tea Party Was NOT a Tax Revolt

Joseph J. Thorndike * Apr. 14, 2009

The Tea Party protests planned for tomorrow are ridiculous for any number of reasons. But what's particularly galling -- at least to my historian's eye -- is their historical illiteracy. The Boston Tea Party, from which these modern day revolters ostensibly draw their inspiration, was not a tax revolt. Or at least not that kind of tax revolt. It was a revolt against tax loopholes, not high taxes. As I explained in a 2005 article:


the Boston Tea Party was sparked by a tax cut, not a tax increase. That colonial exercise in civil disobedience was certainly a protest against oppressive taxation, but it was also a revolt against tax preferences. Specifically, the tea party was sparked by an 18th century version of corporate welfare.

http://www.tax.com/taxcom/taxblog.nsf/Permalink/JTHE-7R4PYB?OpenDocument

Joseph J. Thorndike
Director of the Tax History Project and Contributing Editor

Joseph J. Thorndike is the director of the Tax History Project at Tax Analysts and a contributing editor for Tax Notes magazine. He is the author of numerous publications on tax policy, both past and present, and is currently writing a history of tax fairness and social justice in the 20th century. His publications include articles for the New York Times, the Washington Times, Barron’s, and the American University Administrative Law Review. Thorndike is the author (with Steven Bank and Kirk Stark) of War and Taxes (Urban Institute Press, 2008) and the editor (with Dennis J. Ventry Jr.) of Tax Justice: The Ongoing Debate (Urban Institute Press, 2002). Thorndike received a B.A. from Williams College and an Ph.D. from the University Of Virginia.
 
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