Why there is no such thing as objective morality.

Hume said:
It is a very superficial distinction to make between objective and subjective. Virtually meaningless.
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It's actually a very important distinction. The belief that morality is subjective allows people to do terrible things, particularly in the name of their god.
 
Cypress said:
You don't have "feelings" about genocide and slavery?
I think the first reaction a normal person has about genocide is outage and revulsion. They are not putting their personal feelings aside, which is how your post defined objective morality
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Its amazing how limited your mind is. I'd be amazed if you still have all you're digits. I have plenty of very bad feelings about genocide and slavery but it's not my feelings that make them objectively immortal. You people are so fucked up emotionally it's actually terrifying how much so.
 
Yakuda said:
Its amazing how limited your mind is. I'd be amazed if you still have all you're digits. I have plenty of very bad feelings about genocide and slavery but it's not my feelings that make them objectively immortal. You people are so fucked up emotionally it's actually terrifying how much so.
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The fact that we feel guilt or moral outrage about cheating, lying, and genocide is precisely what tells us where the line is drawn on objective moral values. You can't separate feelings from objective values.

You seemingly claimed that objective moral values were free of any feelings or emotions.
Yakuda said:
I don't think it has to do with absolute. It has more to do with what's perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices or interpretations
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Cypress said:
The fact that we feel guilt or moral outrage about cheating, lying, and genocide is precisely what tells us where the line is drawn on objective moral values. You can't separate feelings from objective values.

You seemingly claimed that objective moral values were free of any feelings or emotions.
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No that's not what I claimed. Try again.
 
Hume said:
First, the term "objective morality" and too many meanings and is too vague to have a real sense.

Objective does not mean true, as there are things objectively false.
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You lack the intellectual capacity to participate in a thread like this, yet somehow you started it.
I find that fascinating.
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I'll lay this out here for anyone that cares to read it:
All theories of morality use God's standard, whether they want to or not. They cannot escape it.
Anything other than objective morality is people trying to justify a different morality. Fact.
 
Hume said:
First, the term "objective morality" and too many meanings and is too vague to have a real sense.

Objective does not mean true, as there are things objectively false.
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Cypress said:
It's simple. It just means there is an absolute right and wrong, independent of opinion, consensus, or cultural norms.
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Agreed on the definition. OTOH, there is no such thing as "objective morality" since there's no universal standard for morality. Universal meaning throughout the Universe.

Among humans, we can agree that certain activities and actions are more conducive to a productive, peaceful society than other activities and actions, but all of that is subjective to human beings....which may not be good for other lifeforms.

Example, while taking land from Native Americans was once considered moral and nowadays not to much, no one considers taking land from wildlife such as wolves and bison to be immoral. Why? Humans only think of themselves. IE, morality is subjective.
 
Yakuda said:
That idiot cypress has no fuckig clue either
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Oh, Yak. Your anger and hatred will see you sucking Satan's cock in Hell. Now tell me you're a good Christian. LOL

Matt Dillon said:
Cypress wants to deny God, tries to use sophistry to do so, and ends up looking like a dumbass.
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Same for you, Matt. You claim to be a Christian then prove daily you are not.

James 1:
19 My dear brothers and sisters, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry,
20 because human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires.
 
Yakuda said:
No that's not what I claimed. Try again.
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I can only read the words you wrote. You said objective values cannot be perceived by personal feelings. That's impossible, because the normal person will experience guilt, shame, or moral outrage when the line defining objective values is crossed.
Yakuda said:
I don't think it has to do with absolute. It has more to do with what's perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices or interpretations
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Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed on the definition. OTOH, there is no such thing as "objective morality" since there's no universal standard for morality. Universal meaning throughout the Universe.

Among humans, we can agree that certain activities and actions are more conducive to a productive, peaceful society than other activities and actions, but all of that is subjective to human beings....which may not be good for other lifeforms.

Example, while taking land from Native Americans was once considered moral and nowadays not to much, no one considers taking land from wildlife such as wolves and bison to be immoral. Why? Humans only think of themselves. IE, morality is subjective.
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I'm using the definition of universal that means widespread or ubiquitous among humans.

Obviously, ant colonies do not have an objective moral framework. They are simply responding to the laws of survival and Darwinian tenets of evolution.
 
Cypress said:
I can only read the words you wrote. You said objective values cannot be perceived by personal feelings. That's impossible, because the normal person will experience guilt, shame, or moral outrage when the line defining objective values is crossed.
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Correct. You maggots think misgendering someone is a crime because it hurts your feelings. Fucking retards.

I'll try again. Slavery is objectively wrong because no normal person wants to be a slave. That fact that no normal person wants to be a slave is free of my feelings about slavery. Since no not normal person would like to be a slave making someone a slave is immoral regardless of how I feel about it. You people are fuckig idiots.
 
Yakuda said:
Correct. You maggots think misgendering someone is a crime because it hurts your feelings. Fucking retards.
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That has nothing to do with me.
Yakuda said:
I'll try again. Slavery is objectively wrong because no normal person wants to be a slave. That fact that no normal person wants to be a slave is free of my feelings about slavery. Since no not normal person would like to be a slave making someone a slave is immoral regardless of how I feel about it. You people are fuckig idiots.
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That's self-interest, not morality.

Of course Darwinian evolution programmed us to avoid suffering and cling to self-interest and self-preservation.

Behaving in your own self-interest is not objective morality.

Objective morality is the pure self-sacrifice or the disinterested desire - with no expectation of reciprocity - to prevent the suffering of other people, to ensure their welfare, even for strangers.
 
Cypress said:
That has nothing to do with me.

That's self-interest, not morality.

Of course Darwinian evolution programmed us to avoid suffering and cling to self interest and self preservation.

Behaving in your own self-interest is not objective morality.

Objective morality is the pure self sacrifice or the disinterested desire - with no expectation of reciprocity - to prevent the suffering of other people, to ensure their welfare, even strangers.
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Of course self interest is objective morality. If you don't want to be a slave it's immoral for you to make others a slave. AGAIN that has nothing to do with my feelings.
 
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