From the Right-Wing Retard Files: Gun Control Caused Holocaust, sez Joe the Plumber

Rana said:
No, but I would guess it helped in implementing his policies. The article I read said if the Jews had been as well armed as Americans he would have had a hard time.
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What article was that?
 
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Do you believe that what this website states is factual?
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I've got a good idea for your next job. You can take a run across America (don't forget the south and the Midwest) dragging people out of their houses and off to concentration camps. I mean, if you don't think that job was easier in an unarmed Germany then there ain't much hope for you. I'm not saying it wouldn't have gotten done back then but it would be a whole lot more difficult here.
 
Whenever a politician, or anyone else, starts talking about regulating guns, it’s a safe bet that someone will bring up how Hitler supposedly outlawed guns in Germany, which supposedly enabled him to do all the mischief he did.

As we’ve noted before, Adolf is a staple reference among propagandists.

It’s become an automatic response to compare anyone you don’t like to Der Fuhrer, on the grounds that since he was evil incarnate, everything he ever said or did must also be evil.

People have even been known to suggest that since he was a vegetarian, vegetarians are evil. It’s not surprising, then, that you often see this quote pop up:


“This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” –Adolf Hitler, 1935


Trouble is, Hitler never made such a speech in 1935. Nor is there any record that he ever spoke these particular words at all.

This little “speech” was obviously written for him, many years after his death, by someone who wanted you to believe that gun registration is Hitler-evil.

What he did say, seven years later, was this: “The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.”

So it’s fair to conclude that he believed “gun control” had its uses.

But that’s quite a different thing from claiming that “gun control” was instrumental in the NAZI rise to power.

And the truth is that no gun law was passed in Germany in 1935.

There was no need for one, since a gun registration program was already in effect in Germany; it was enacted in 1928, five years before Hitler’s ascendancy.

But that law did not “outlaw” guns, it just restricted their possession to individuals who were considered law-abiding citizens, and who had a reason to own one.

And there’s no reason to consider that law particularly significant, either; the NAZIs didn’t seize control of their own country with gunpowder.

They used a much more potent weapon: propaganda.

Under their reign, Jews were prohibited from owning guns, just as they were prohibited from doing many things.

And it has become an article of faith among the gun culture that had they been armed, the Holocaust would not have happened (that is, among those members of the gun culture who know that the Holocaust really did happen).

But the concept of a handful of citizens armed with hunting rifles and Saturday night specials fending off an army is delusional hubris peculiar to gun addicts.

On American soil, its most glorious day in the sun has been perhaps Waco. And we all know how well that turned out.

The gun culture is right about one thing, however.

Hitler really did enact a new gun law. But it was in 1938, not 1935 – well after the NAZI Party already had the country in its iron grip.

Furthermore, the new law in many ways LOOSENED gun restrictions.

For example, it greatly expanded the numbers who were exempt, it lowered the legal age of possession from 20 to 18, and it completely lifted restriction on all guns except handguns, as well as on ammunition.

Given all of this, it’s pretty hard to make a case that “gun control” played a significant role in NAZI conquest.

In fact, one might well say that when gun addicts brandish Hitler as a weapon, they are unwittingly arguing against their own cause.




http://propagandaprofessor.net/2011/09/26/the-myth-of-hitlers-gun-ban/
 
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Whenever a politician, or anyone else, starts talking about regulating guns, it’s a safe bet that someone will bring up how Hitler supposedly outlawed guns in Germany, which supposedly enabled him to do all the mischief he did.

As we’ve noted before, Adolf is a staple reference among propagandists.

It’s become an automatic response to compare anyone you don’t like to Der Fuhrer, on the grounds that since he was evil incarnate, everything he ever said or did must also be evil.

People have even been known to suggest that since he was a vegetarian, vegetarians are evil. It’s not surprising, then, that you often see this quote pop up:


“This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” –Adolf Hitler, 1935


Trouble is, Hitler never made such a speech in 1935. Nor is there any record that he ever spoke these particular words at all.

This little “speech” was obviously written for him, many years after his death, by someone who wanted you to believe that gun registration is Hitler-evil.

What he did say, seven years later, was this: “The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.”

So it’s fair to conclude that he believed “gun control” had its uses.

But that’s quite a different thing from claiming that “gun control” was instrumental in the NAZI rise to power.

And the truth is that no gun law was passed in Germany in 1935.

There was no need for one, since a gun registration program was already in effect in Germany; it was enacted in 1928, five years before Hitler’s ascendancy.

But that law did not “outlaw” guns, it just restricted their possession to individuals who were considered law-abiding citizens, and who had a reason to own one.

And there’s no reason to consider that law particularly significant, either; the NAZIs didn’t seize control of their own country with gunpowder.

They used a much more potent weapon: propaganda.

Under their reign, Jews were prohibited from owning guns, just as they were prohibited from doing many things.

And it has become an article of faith among the gun culture that had they been armed, the Holocaust would not have happened (that is, among those members of the gun culture who know that the Holocaust really did happen).

But the concept of a handful of citizens armed with hunting rifles and Saturday night specials fending off an army is delusional hubris peculiar to gun addicts.

On American soil, its most glorious day in the sun has been perhaps Waco. And we all know how well that turned out.

The gun culture is right about one thing, however.

Hitler really did enact a new gun law. But it was in 1938, not 1935 – well after the NAZI Party already had the country in its iron grip.

Furthermore, the new law in many ways LOOSENED gun restrictions.

For example, it greatly expanded the numbers who were exempt, it lowered the legal age of possession from 20 to 18, and it completely lifted restriction on all guns except handguns, as well as on ammunition.

Given all of this, it’s pretty hard to make a case that “gun control” played a significant role in NAZI conquest.

In fact, one might well say that when gun addicts brandish Hitler as a weapon, they are unwittingly arguing against their own cause.




http://propagandaprofessor.net/2011/09/26/the-myth-of-hitlers-gun-ban/
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Do you believe this site to be factual, if so what proof have you of its factuality?
 
While I will agree that pro gun people did/do themselves and their cause harm by using the quote incorrectly attributed to Hitler, there is no way that any person using common sense would think that what happened in Germany would have been accomplished as easily as if the populace...in particular the Jews...were armed.
 
leaningright said:
While I will agree that pro gun people did/do themselves and their cause harm by using the quote incorrectly attributed to Hitler, there is no way that any person using common sense would think that what happened in Germany would have been accomplished as easily as if the populace...in particular the Jews...were armed.
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And your proof for that speculative assertion is...?

It has become an article of faith among the gun culture that had they been armed, the Holocaust would not have happened (that is, among those members of the gun culture who know that the Holocaust really did happen).

But the concept of a handful of citizens armed with hunting rifles and Saturday night specials fending off an army is delusional hubris peculiar to gun addicts.

On American soil, its most glorious day in the sun has been perhaps Waco. And we all know how well that turned out.

The gun culture is right about one thing, however.

Hitler really did enact a new gun law. But it was in 1938, not 1935 – well after the NAZI Party already had the country in its iron grip.

Furthermore, the new law in many ways LOOSENED gun restrictions.

For example, it greatly expanded the numbers who were exempt, it lowered the legal age of possession from 20 to 18, and it completely lifted restriction on all guns except handguns, as well as on ammunition.

Given all of this, it’s pretty hard to make a case that “gun control” played a significant role in NAZI conquest.



http://propagandaprofessor.net/2011/...tlers-gun-ban/
 
Bijou said:
Joe The Plumber: Gun Control Caused The Holocaust

Samuel Wurzelbacher, famously known as ‘Joe The Plumber,’ is running for Congress this year on a platform of party-line Republican reforms, including gun control. But while it’s only natural that he would make a campaign advertisement around the issue, the tack he took is rather unusual — Wurzelbacher has a new advertisement in which he says that gun control laws are responsible for the Armenian genocide and the Holocaust of the Jews. What’s more, he explains the theory while loading his gun and shooting fruits and vegetables. Watch it:


UPDATE: Hunter Walker at the New York Observer reached out to Wurzelbacher’s spokesperson, who only worsened the comparisons, comparing gun control to slavery as well:

Phil Christofanelli [said] “there’s nothing offensive” about the video and discussed how gun control may have led to slavery in the United States too…. “Well, blacks weren’t allowed to own guns in the south, that’s a historical fact as well,” said Mr. Christofanelli. “So, it would seem that the argument would apply there as well.”

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2...the-plumber-gun-control-caused-the-holocaust/
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joe the plummer (who is not) sucks
 
Rana said:
No, but I would guess it helped in implementing his policies. The article I read said if the Jews had been as well armed as Americans he would have had a hard time.
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it would have required a gun culture like we have in america and that did not exist in europe then or now
 
Rana said:
No, but I would guess it helped in implementing his policies. The article I read said if the Jews had been as well armed as Americans he would have had a hard time.
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Based on what? If the Jews were as well armed as the americans the rest of germany would probably have also been as well armed. If germany hadn't had a financial crisis the extremist parties wouldn't have gotten in power. If hitler had gotten shot in the first world war he wouldn't have been elected. If his predecessor had been run over by a bus he couldn't have put hitler in power.

It's pointless wheel spinning. Guns don't lessen problems, they just make them more fatal. Think about how many riots they have in Europe, it's practically a hobby over there, think about the death toll if everyone went out armed.
 
Disillusioned said:
Based on what? If the Jews were as well armed as the americans the rest of germany would probably have also been as well armed. If germany hadn't had a financial crisis the extremist parties wouldn't have gotten in power. If hitler had gotten shot in the first world war he wouldn't have been elected. If his predecessor had been run over by a bus he couldn't have put hitler in power.

It's pointless wheel spinning. Guns don't lessen problems, they just make them more fatal. Think about how many riots they have in Europe, it's practically a hobby over there, think about the death toll if everyone went out armed.
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How can Hitler have been both elected and put into power?
 
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