What I hope the Supreme Court does to health care.

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That's the standard meme offered by shills and morons, who've been proven to be wrong over and over again by existing systems elsewhere that contradict their meme, as well as statistics here that outline how wasteful and completely fucked up, uncivilized and teeming-with-fraud our current system is.

Please elaborate for us, since you are so knowing... what is the incentive to the Federal employee to make it efficient. Provide us with examples instead of rhetoric.

 

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$500 billion in fraud within Medicare that Obama identified...

I am sure you think government services are outstandingly efficient. But they are not. They are inefficient by and large.

Actually Medicare is highly efficient in that it has given millions of Senior helthcare they could never, otherwise afford. They are also reducing fraud, Alaska's program has little fraud.

I would love for you to speak with my daughter on the subject matter.

 

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You dont understand, the award has nothing to do with what you pay your attorney. You get the same award if your attorney does your case pro bono or if he charges 75% of the award....

SF is saying that there should be legislation to limit the actual size of awards but with the strength of the healthcare lobby in the US I just cannot see that happening anytime soon. You say that lawyers get fixed fees but surely you have also have no win no fee in the US where the lawyer takes a percentage of the eventual award?

 

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$500 billion in fraud within Medicare that Obama identified...

I am sure you think government services are outstandingly efficient. But they are not. They are inefficient by and large.

Keep shilling. It's all you know how to do.

 

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Please elaborate for us, since you are so knowing... what is the incentive to the Federal employee to make it efficient. Provide us with examples instead of rhetoric.

Actually Medicare is run on the state level with grants given by the federal government.

 

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Actually Medicare is highly efficient in that it has given millions of Senior helthcare they could never, otherwise afford. They are also reducing fraud, Alaska's program has little fraud.

I would love for you to speak with my daughter on the subject matter.

So Obama lied when he stated he found $500 Billion in fraud in Medicare?

Ask anyone who is signing up for Medicare how efficient they are.

It is not all bad by any means, but it is hardly efficient either.

 

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Keep shilling. It's all you know how to do.

Keep avoiding all questions, it is what you do.

 

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SF is saying that there should be legislation to limit the actual size of awards but with the strength of the healthcare lobby in the US I just cannot see that happening anytime soon. You say that lawyers get fixed fees but surely you have also have no win no fee in the US where the lawyer takes a percentage of the eventual award?

It is not the health care lobby that would oppose the limitation of the awards... it is the Trial Lawyers lobby that is the problem.

Yes, many trial lawyers work on the no win, no fee basis and then take a set percentage of the award.

In capping the award amount (which if done would be a part of my ideas for reducing healthcare costs) but trying to still get as much to the victims as possible, I also suggested capping the blood suckers. At which point Jarod, like most trial lawyers, went into conniption fits all the while creating one straw man after another to avoid answering any questions posed to him.

 

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So Obama lied when he stated he found $500 Billion in fraud in Medicare?

Ask anyone who is signing up for Medicare how efficient they are.

It is not all bad by any means, but it is hardly efficient either.

Their anger is at high costs and that it doesn't cover 100%.

 

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So Obama lied when he stated he found $500 Billion in fraud in Medicare?

Ask anyone who is signing up for Medicare how efficient they are.

It is not all bad by any means, but it is hardly efficient either.

I will ask my daughter about other states fraud issues.

 

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Their anger is at high costs and that it doesn't cover 100%.

Um... again... try talking to people about the process they go through when signing up.

As for your above statement, that is absolutely valid. Which leads us back to the need to address costs rather than fighting over how we pay or through who. The ever rising costs are the problem. That is what should be addressed.

Simply shouting 'single payer' does nothing to address costs.

 

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Keep avoiding all questions, it is what you do.

I haven't avoided anything. I make a point, you shriek and feign incredulity and demand 'proof', despite the fact that the proof of my point has been made dozens of times on this board and is readily available at http://www.pnhp.org/facts/what-is-single-payer. You don't want to discuss this matter, you simply want your interests (which are obvious to all reading your blather here) to prevail and you're willing to be disingenuous to that end.

 

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I will ask my daughter about other states fraud issues.

I would be interested in anything she has to add.

 

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I haven't avoided anything. I make a point, you shriek and feign incredulity and demand 'proof', despite the fact that the proof of my point has been made dozens of times on this board and is readily available at http://www.pnhp.org/facts/what-is-single-payer. You don't want to discuss this matter, you simply want your interests (which are obvious to all reading your blather here) to prevail and you're willing to be disingenuous to that end.

Yes, you do indeed avoid questions. I asked you... what incentive does the federal employee have to be efficient?

Can you answer my actual question? I already know what single payer means. I am asking you personally to tell me what you think their incentives are?

 

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It is not the health care lobby that would oppose the limitation of the awards... it is the Trial Lawyers lobby that is the problem.

Yes, many trial lawyers work on the no win, no fee basis and then take a set percentage of the award.

In capping the award amount (which if done would be a part of my ideas for reducing healthcare costs) but trying to still get as much to the victims as possible, I also suggested capping the blood suckers. At which point Jarod, like most trial lawyers, went into conniption fits all the while creating one straw man after another to avoid answering any questions posed to him.

Yes, sorry I meant the lawyer's lobby. If it is anything like the UK getting politicians, many of whom come from legal backgrounds, to cut fees is just not going to happen.

 

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Yes, you do indeed avoid questions. I asked you... what incentive does the federal employee have to be efficient?

Can you answer my actual question? I already know what single payer means. I am asking you personally to tell me what you think their incentives are?

A single payer system would be automatically more efficient because the process for payment would be streamlined. What part of this eludes you? If you "already know" what single payer means, then you should "already know" that all of the problems with the current system's administrative inefficiency, inconsistency, high overhead and large margin of administrative error would be eliminated overnight.

 

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Um... again... try talking to people about the process they go through when signing up.

As for your above statement, that is absolutely valid. Which leads us back to the need to address costs rather than fighting over how we pay or through who. The ever rising costs are the problem. That is what should be addressed.

Simply shouting 'single payer' does nothing to address costs.

It is due to the changes in the prescription drug program. If it were single payer it would greatly simplify the programs.

 

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Yes, sorry I meant the lawyer's lobby. If it is anything like the UK, getting politicians, many of whom come from legal backgrounds, to cut fees is just not going to happen.

I am aware of that. Most of what I suggested would be hard to get passed do to the lobbies. Especially the blood suckers lobby. When you have 40-50% of our politicians from the same profession... it tends to be hard to get them to actually go against their blood sucking brethren.

 

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A single payer system would be automatically more efficient because the process for payment would be streamlined. What part of this eludes you? If you "already know" what single payer means, then you should "already know" that all of the administrative inefficiency, inconsistency, high overhead and large margin of error would be eliminated overnight.

LMAO.. so you think that payment is streamlined is = efficient employees. Ok.

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Really Jarod... so you are now claiming that attorneys do not work on a percentage of award basis? Are you actually claiming that? That attorneys don't work for a set percentage of the award?

No I am not claimig that, I am saying that the pay out by the insurance company is not affected by the amount the attorney charges.