Sally Ride

[Phantasmal]

I've tried telling people that Tom is an MRA, a Male Right's Activist but they usually don't know what that means.

Now with his rape bullshit you are seeing the ugly underbelly. Women get special treatment in rape cases. How does that taste ladies? You like that? How about men who love a rape victim. You like that?

I'm glad. It should be exposed. I picked it up right away because he has been using coded language directly from MRA sites for some time. And it is a very ugly, highly misogynistic movement.

I find rape jokes very offensive. I find rape offensive, be it a man or woman. I also find the women's movement, AFTER the 70's has helped make huge advancements in this area, in the protection of the rape victim and the attitude that she deserved it and it isn't men's fault, they can't control their "urges".

I was personally affected by this attitude towards women who were raped. I was a teenager with a long term boyfriend in the 70's, I finally said yes, but during the act, he became violent and I asked him to stop. He didn't. I had no where to turn, no support, except my girlfriends. I was afraid to tell because I had initially said, yes. The stigma against women at the time was the reason. I am sorry now, that I did not report him. He later abused his wife to the point she had to be hospitalized. He is now one year sober, I have heard.

I thought twice about telling my story, I did once on another message board. It was cathartic. I don't think some men realize just how far we have come and what the price has been. I think by my speaking up, I hope, that some become less cavalier in their thinking about feminism and remark that ugly radicals hurt the mission. It was these loud mouth radicals that brought change and date rape and even rape by your spouse is now prosecuted. It is unfortunate that there are still women who feel it is their fault nd feel shme for what was done to them.

I hope we continue to progress in the area of women's issues, we have come a long way, but still have a long way to go.

 

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Your arrogance is beyond breathtaking, if it was the other way round you would be bellyaching about it from here to christendom. Thanks for showing your true colours, you are not in the least interested in equality otherwise how could you support a law that is so biased towards one party? You then go on to compound the crime by insisting that the sistas would never make false allegations despite the fact that there have been any number of high profile cases in the UK in recent years. I doubt that it is any different in the US but no doubt you will insist otherwise. Ignorance and arrogance, in equal measure, a toxic combination.

If you want to put me on IA then go right ahead because I find it very hard to talk to you civilly any more, I had forgotten how hard it is to talk to a hardcore feminazi.

Oh Cliffie, if you think that hardcore feminazi's are the only human beings disgusted by the "rape victims get special treatmentttttttttt what about the menzzzzzz" nonsense, you live on Planet MRA. And you're very isolated. Keep talking. You're exposing exactly what I want you to expose.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Mott, what the fuck is wrong with you? My only criteria is whether it is right or wrong and it is most definitely wrong. To justify it by saying that men had special privileges before is just barking mad.

Again, I'm not justifying it or agreeing with it. I'm objectively pointing out political realities to you. That being how affective womens political lobbying has become based upon third wave feminist ideology. I'm certain you don't like it when the shoes on the other foot ( I sure don't and in the US I would use the example of child custody where the only right a father has is to support his child) but try and imagine for how long women had to put up with this kind of legal politcal shit from men and a patriarchical dominated society and I think you can begin to understand the feminist movement a little bit better. I mean you think the current rape laws in the UK are unfair and stacked against men? That may be but that aint shit compared to what abuses and discrimination women have had to tolerate over the years.

 

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This is 'gross enquality' in your view? Really?

Well of course it is, in what universe is it considered fair? In the US it would be ruled unconstitutional, If you believe in equality, not enqaulity, then how can you justify one side having different rights to the other?? Of course, if you really couldn't give a shit and are only concerned with getting a result then say so at least then we will all know that you are not interested in justice.

 

[CanceledB]

Yurt persists in slithering into these discussions in the hopes of dumbing it down to a 'man bash', and smearing the women engaged in the discussion, namely Darla and me.

Clearly the discussion makes Yurt squirm. Also, Tom, and others. I don't see Occupant, Apple, Winterborn, Mott, Zappa, Rune, Howey, or Gatorman with bunched up panties over the discussion, whining and crying about being 'bashed'. They're men - why don't they feel targeted in the discussion?

Why, indeed.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Gross! Just couldn't go there!

Sure you can. Just don't ask what's in the pot.

I felt kinda like that the first time I ate balut but it turned out to actually be pretty good.

 

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'Bashing' is surely the way a neurotic, insecure and frustrated man-boy would view a discussion about feminism, or Sally Ride.

Thank you for demonstrating.

you're fucking clueless. your post is exactly what i'm referring to. not your discussion about feminism. i can't believe you're this clueless. i mean, you even bash me in your response but can't understand what i'm referring to.

LOL

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Let me tell you what's wrong with Mott Cliffie. He's getting laid regularly and isn't walking around with a two-ton chip on his shoulder towards women.

Take note.

LOL Define "regularly"?

 

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Again, I'm not justifying it or agreeing with it. I'm objectively pointing out political realities to you. That being how affective womens political lobbying has become based upon third wave feminist ideology. I'm certain you don't like it when the shoes on the other foot ( I sure don't and in the US I would use the example of child custody where the only right a father has is to support his child) but try and imagine for how long women had to put up with this kind of legal politcal shit from men and a patriarchical dominated society and I think you can begin to understand the feminist movement a little bit better. I mean you think the current rape laws in the UK are unfair and stacked against men? That may be but that aint shit compared to what abuses and discrimination women have had to tolerate over the years.

Mott, again what the fuck is wrong with you?? There is no way you can justify a bad law(s) by saying; it used to be biased against women so now that it's biased against men that's OK. I expect a loony like Darla to say something like that but I have always considered you sane!!

 

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Yurt persists in slithering into these discussions in the hopes of dumbing it down to a 'man bash', and smearing the women engaged in the discussion, namely Darla and me.

Clearly the discussion makes Yurt squirm. Also, Tom, and others. I don't see Occupant, Apple, Winterborn, Zappa, Rune, Howey, or Gatorman with bunched up panties over the discussion, whining and crying about being 'bashed'. They're men - why don't they feel targeted in the discussion?

Why, indeed.

i'm smearing? have you read what you and darla are posting? vile hatred and insults. like i said, it doesn't advance the issue, in fact, it drives a wedge between people.

 

[CanceledB]

Well of course it is, in what universe is it considered fair? In the US it would be ruled unconstitutional, If you believe in equality, not enqaulity, then how can you justify one side having different rights to the other?? Of course, if you really couldn't give a shit and are only concerned with getting a result then say so at least then we will all know that you are not interested in justice.

I will be the first in line to agree with you about the egregiousness of a false rape charge. There are myriad reasons why concealing the identity of the accuser is necessary, and you can cite where it's unconstitutional to conceal the accuser's while revealing the accused, and you will still fail to convince me that it's wrong. When you can cite a substantial handful of all the falsely-accused rapists who suffered a miscarriage of justice as a result of 'inequality', we'll debate the wrongness of it. Otherwise, it will, in my view, remain an acceptable imperfection in the system that errs on the side of safety for the woman.

 

[Phantasmal]

Sure you can. Just don't ask what's in the pot.

I felt kinda like that the first time I ate balut but it turned out to actually be pretty good.

It is the only way I would eat it, not knowing what it was, just like horse meat and squirrel! I had gator in Houston, it was delic!

 

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I find rape jokes very offensive. I find rape offensive, be it a man or woman. I also find the women's movement, AFTER the 70's has helped make huge advancements in this area, in the protection of the rape victim and the attitude that she deserved it and it isn't men's fault, they can't control their "urges".

I was personally affected by this attitude towards women who were raped. I was a teenager with a long term boyfriend in the 70's, I finally said yes, but during the act, he became violent and I asked him to stop. He didn't. I had no where to turn, no support, except my girlfriends. I was afraid to tell because I had initially said, yes. The stigma against women at the time was the reason. I am sorry now, that I did not report him. He later abused his wife to the point she had to be hospitalized. He is now one year sober, I have heard.

I thought twice about telling my story, I did once on another message board. It was cathartic. I don't think some men realize just how far we have come and what the price has been. I think by my speaking up, I hope, that some become less cavalier in their thinking about feminism and remark that ugly radicals hurt the mission. It was these loud mouth radicals that brought change and date rape and even rape by your spouse is now prosecuted. It is unfortunate that there are still women who feel it is their fault nd feel shme for what was done to them.

I hope we continue to progress in the area of women's issues, we have come a long way, but still have a long way to go.

There's a big backlash as I'm sure you know against these advances and protections.

I got teary-eyed reading your story, I am so sorry, I don't think we ever talked about this have we? Isn't it something how even women who talk about so much with each other often don't go "there"? Big hug to you. I understand. What terrifies and enrages me is that a small but loud percentage of men are out there now working hard to make sure that women in the situation you describe are to scared to report the rape even today. And I believe even today once "consent" (in your case it sounds as if even your initial consent was coerced) is given, if a man forces a sex act on you that you did not consent to, and you withdraw consent, it would be very difficult to get a prosecutor to pursue the case. Most women even today will not report under such circumstances. But yeah, things have gotten so much better....but there is still a ways to go. I am very interested in the tactic of education on consent. Rather than passive consent being acceptable, the standard is active consent. The absence of a no is not consent. I feel this is important because so many women are worn down and coerced into stopping the struggle. There must be a yes. I personally am only with men who understand the concept of enthusiastic consent. Though I hold no hope of this becoming the legal standard, so I advocate for the next best thing - active consent. A lot of people tell me that enthusiastic consent must take the fun out of it and what a boring fuck women who advocate that must be.

Really? I can only assume they define boring. Enthusiastic consent is very hot. You have to be into dirty talk and it helps to have an imaginative (male in my case) partner. Haven't come across a man who objects to that. Men who believe coerced sex is getting lucky, that the absence of a no is the jackpot, don't know what great hot sex is.

Thanks for being so brave to share your story here. That takes the kind of guts I don't have and that I greatly admire.

 

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i'm smearing? have you read what you and darla are posting? vile hatred and insults. like i said, it doesn't advance the issue, in fact, it drives a wedge between people.

Driving a wedge between myself and a misogynist is perfectly acceptable to me.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Yeah anytime I see a man write the word misandry it's an alarm bell going off. I've never actually heard a man speak the word. Thank God I don't know these kind of assholes IRL. They're the kind of guys who complain about women getting half priced drinks on Ladies Night. Hot huh? I've heard about them, in fact they make fun of the Ladies Nights whiners on WBAB radio station out here, but I've never actually heard a man complain about that. I guess the men I know actually have sex. That stuff is funny. As you point out in some of your highlighted items, it gets a lot less funny.

I've had sex more than once thanks to ladies night. It's nice when you can slap those beer googles on her at half price! Cost affective too! Sure beats paying a hooker!!

 

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Well of course it is, in what universe is it considered fair? In the US it would be ruled unconstitutional, If you believe in equality, not enqaulity, then how can you justify one side having different rights to the other?? Of course, if you really couldn't give a shit and are only concerned with getting a result then say so at least then we will all know that you are not interested in justice.

Wrong again Cliffie. Those rape disclosure practices are standard in the US, where no major news outlet will name a rape victim, but will name the alleged assailant. So we can add Supreme court expert to the many things you don't know shit about but act like you're an expert.

 

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Yurt persists in slithering into these discussions in the hopes of dumbing it down to a 'man bash', and smearing the women engaged in the discussion, namely Darla and me.

Clearly the discussion makes Yurt squirm. Also, Tom, and others. I don't see Occupant, Apple, Winterborn, Zappa, Rune, Howey, or Gatorman with bunched up panties over the discussion, whining and crying about being 'bashed'. They're men - why don't they feel targeted in the discussion?

Why, indeed.

Well you never know when you're talking to a man who was charged with rape and feels it was "false". Coerced sex comes to mind, so does sex when the women was too drunk to consent. But even rape where physical force is used, plenty of rapists don't "feel" it was "rape rape". So there's that. I always keep that in mind.

yurt's a special case. Whenever Onceler isn't around to keep him occupied, he goes batshit on every thread on the board and he is fixated on me right now. And now on you because you agree with me. HE went through phase where he was obsessed with Rana. And Christie. I have no idea what drives it other than some mental disorder.

 

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Driving a wedge between myself and a misogynist is perfectly acceptable to me.

LOL

What an ass he is.

 

[CanceledB]

LOL

What an ass he is.

More of that flawed idea that we're supposed to "appeal" to misogynists.

 

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I've had sex more than once thanks to ladies night. It's nice when you can slap those beer googles on her at half price! Cost affective too! Sure beats paying a hooker!!

Not to mention it's an economic decision on the part of the establishments offering it! More women = more men. Men often go to bars to meet women! Bars who aren't bringing in enough of a female clientele often use Ladies Night as one marketing tactic to change that.