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dixon76710 said:
I denied our installation of the shah at any date and have been trying to point out to you uneducated fools that he was installed in 1941 by the British and Russians. Of course you two only love to hate the US so what russia and Britain ACTUALLY did is of no concern to you.
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I am always amused by you nutcases that think the US is completely innocent, and anyone pointing outthings we have done wrong must hate the US. That is absolute bullshit.

Since you like wikipedia, here is a clip from there. Our own Sec. of State said: "In 1953 the United States played a significant role in orchestrating the overthrow of Iran's popular Prime Minister, Mohammed Mosaddegh. The Eisenhower Administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons; but the coup was clearly a setback for Iran's political development. And it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America in their internal affairs."

You can either recognize that the US has blood on its hands and has meddled in the affairs of soveriegn nations, or you can lie to yourself. But trying to claim I hate the US because I refuse to deny the wrong done by our gov't is the lowest form of lunacy.
 
dixon76710 said:
I just told you fool, it was Jr High history class. I cant copy and paste from my Jr High history textbook so I used Wikipedia instead. And youve not produced anything to contradict wikipedia so Im not sure of your point ragging on wikipedia. You went to the effort to copy and paste several paragraphs of text, and yet, not a word of it contradicts the wikipedia quote.
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"Fool?"

:0)

Obviously Jr. High is where your education stopped. Those of us who moved on past Jr. High have a better sense of real history then you sir. :0)

Had you gone to high school, you might know of the CIA's hand in the overthrow of Mohammad Mosaddeq.

Had you gone to college, or at least read the article I posted, you would know what TP-AJAX was and all your confusion would be solved.

However, it appears that you like walking around in the dark.

You can go back to sleep now. :0)
 
WinterBorn said:
I am always amused by you nutcases that think the US is completely innocent, and anyone pointing outthings we have done wrong must hate the US. That is absolute bullshit.
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You still dont understand. There was no installation of the shah in 1953. You are making up things the US has done wrong. He was the shah of Iran because his father was the shah of Iran and its a hereditary title.
 
dixon76710 said:
You still dont understand. There was no installation of the shah in 1953. You are making up things the US has done wrong. He was the shah of Iran because his father was the shah of Iran and its a hereditary title.
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I am making things up? You are staying focused on the dates and ignoring everything else. The prime minister that our CIA helped remove was nationalizing the oil production and working to gain more for the people of Iran. The CIA helped the Shah put a stop to that.

The CIA also helped the Shah create the SAVAK. Look that up and see whether we are innocent.

The people of Iran elected a prime minister, who actually ran the nation. We removed him. Like BAC said, look up TP-AJAX. Look at the changes that were happening in Iran before the coup we set up, and then compare it to the way things were run from then on.

Our CIA worked to successfully remove the duly elected prime minister of Iran. Whether the Shah had a hereditary title or not is irrelevant. He became a puppet of the CIA. And that is what started most of the hatred the iranians had (or have) for the US.

I think it is disgusting that we did it too. I love this country and I am a patriot. But that does not mean I turn a blind eye to the horrible things we have done or condone the meddling we have done.
 
blackascoal said:
"Fool?"

:0)

Obviously Jr. High is where your education stopped. Those of us who moved on past Jr. High have a better sense of real history then you sir. :0)

Had you gone to high school, you might know of the CIA's hand in the overthrow of Mohammad Mosaddeq.
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I quite specifically disputed your allegations regarding our installation of the shah in 1953 and said absolutely nothing about Mosaddeq. Of course, thats why you want to run for refuge in that strawman
 
dixon76710 said:
I quite specifically disputed your allegations regarding our installation of the shah in 1953 and said absolutely nothing about Mosaddeq. Of course, thats why you want to run for refuge in that strawman
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As I've said, you don't know what you're talking about and you embrace ignorance like you invented it.

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This extremely important document is one of the last major pieces of the puzzle explaining American and British roles in the August 1953 coup against Iranian Premier Mohammad Mossadeq. Written in March 1954 by Donald Wilber, one of the operation’s chief planners, the 200-page document is essentially an after-action report, apparently based in part on agency cable traffic and Wilber’s interviews with agents who had been on the ground in Iran as the operation lurched to its conclusion.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB28/

Are you even familiar with the term "coup d'etat?"

What does it mean?
 
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Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh and the Shah's coup d'état in 1953

By the summer of 1953, the British and American governments initiated a joint Anglo-American plan for the covert overthrow of Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh, the Prime Minister of Iran. The plan called Operation AJAX with Kermit Roosevelt, the CIA Mideast Agent in charge (a grandson of Theodore Roosevelt and a distant cousin of Franklin Delano Roosevelt). "So this is how we will get rid of the madman Mossadeq in Iran" announced John Foster Dulles to a group of top Washington policy makers in June 1953. The U.S. Secretary of State held in his hand a plan of operation to overthrow the Prime Minister of Iran. There was scarcely any discussions amongst the high powered men in the room, no probing questions and no legal or ethical issues raised.

- The New York Times, 05/29/1997, "The CIA destroyed files on 1953 Iran coup d'état"
- The New York Times, 04/16/2000, "The CIA in Iran"
- The New York Times (web-site), 06/18/2000, "Overthrow of premier Mossadeq of Iran"

The decision was made in June 1953 to replace Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh with General Fazlollah Zahedi; one of those arrested in February 1953 on charges of plotting to overthrow the nationalist government. Kermit Roosevelt, the CIA Mideast Agent, traveled secretly to Iran to coordinate the Operation AJAX with the Shah and the Iranian military, which was led by General Fazlollah Zahedi.

In accordance with the plan, on August 16, 1953, the Shah violated the Iran's Monarchy Constitution and dismissed Dr. Mossadegh and his nationalist cabinet without the parliament's approval and appointed General Fazlollah Zahedi as the new Prime Minister. The chief of the Royal Guards, Colonel Nematollah Nassiri, served Dr. Mossadegh with a formal dismissal notice. In addition, he was ordered to occupy Dr. Mossadegh's house by the Royal troops and hold him in his house until further instructions, but the Prime Minister's guards forced them to quit.

The coup d'état was publicized and caused major disappointment and dissatisfaction amongst the people throughout the country. In a matter of hours, massive rioting erupted in Iran in wide support of Dr. Mossadegh; and the Shah fled to Italy. The people's protest and demonstration continued for two days and led to pull down the statues of the Shah and his father all over the country.

On August 19th, 1953, the British Intelligence Service (MI6) and the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), engineered to perform the next phase of their plan against the Iranian national government of Dr. Mossadegh. On that tragic day, a group of tanks led by General Fazlollah Zahedi moved through Tehran and surrounded Dr. Mossadegh's residence. The forces behind the coup d'état also managed to pull a large number of bribed hooligans into the streets to rally against Dr. Mossadegh. Finally the army and police forces let the mob reach the Prime Minister's residence and after hours of bombarding and fighting a bloody battle with the small group of Dr. Mossadegh's loyal guards, they entered the house and after plundering it, they burned it down. In a matter of hours Dr. Mossadegh and his top cabinet leaders surrendered themselves to the coup d'état Prime Minister, General Fazlollah Zahedi, and the Shah flew back to Iran, as a U.S. puppet.
http://www.angelfire.com/home/iran/1953coup.html

INSTALLED is absolutely correct.
 
dixon76710 said:
Youve posted a lot of info. Notice how none of it alleges we installed the shah in 1953. Cant "install" a shah who has been shah for 12 years.
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We can install a Shah if the power in the country was in the hands of the Prime Minister, and we removed the Prime Minister and put the power in the hands of the Shah.

But you are avoiding the actual point BAC was making. Our meddling in the affairs of a soveriegn nation is what he was talking about. And we did so without the slightest concern for the people of that nation. In fact, our CIA trained the SAVAK in its techniques for torture and spying.
 
dixon76710 said:
Youve posted a lot of info. Notice how none of it alleges we installed the shah in 1953. Cant "install" a shah who has been shah for 12 years.
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You can when that Shah has run away from the country to another country .. thus, giving up his title.

Are you familiar with the term coup d'état?

What does it mean?
 
WinterBorn said:
We can install a Shah if the power in the country was in the hands of the Prime Minister, and we removed the Prime Minister and put the power in the hands of the Shah.

But you are avoiding the actual point BAC was making. Our meddling in the affairs of a soveriegn nation is what he was talking about. And we did so without the slightest concern for the people of that nation. In fact, our CIA trained the SAVAK in its techniques for torture and spying.
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Well said brother.
 
WinterBorn said:
We can install a Shah if the power in the country was in the hands of the Prime Minister, and we removed the Prime Minister and put the power in the hands of the Shah.

But you are avoiding the actual point BAC was making. Our meddling in the affairs of a soveriegn nation is what he was talking about. And we did so without the slightest concern for the people of that nation. In fact, our CIA trained the SAVAK in its techniques for torture and spying.
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Does this mean that when one of our past Presidents went into surgery amd the Vice President was in control, that we "INSTALLED" the President after he recovered.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Does this mean that when one of our past Presidents went into surgery amd the Vice President was in control, that we "INSTALLED" the President after he recovered.
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Don't be daft. I have yet to see a president flee the country because he needed surgery. Besides, have you ever heard the term "coup d'état"?
 
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