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Lowaicue said:
Most atheists, and I include myself in this, don't give a damn for religion or the adherents of religion. Religion does not impinge on their lives at all. However, when injustices are promoted in the name of religion, as human beings, atheists often express their opinions.
One cannot fear things that do not exist (yes, I know some children are scared of monsters and things). Now when parents insist that their children believe in one particular untruth then we should all become concerned.
(before I go any further I need to say that my wife follows a faith based religion and I allowed her to bring our two children up in that church. Daughter has stuck to her faith, son has given it up.)
The benefits that I saw of a religious education were that where we lived when we were first married was not known for its outstanding education. The local Catholic school was consistently obtaining better results and believed in a little discipline.
Most atheists do not resort to ridicule unless they contribute to a forum such as this which appears to have some of the most narrow minded religious zealots as contributors.
The insults, as can be readily seen from this thread, tend to come from the theist side.
The temptation to hurl insults when faced with people who say they believe the earth is flat or that it is only 6000 years old or that some unknown and unproven figment of imagination created everything we see about us, is often too great.
You have said you are 'spiritual' rather than a believer in a god. That's fine with me and most people I guess. I will engage you but I will not ridicule you unless you ridicule me and others. Your sig line tends to ridicule.
I will however ridicule you for your politics and the silliness of your politicians. After all we have to have a smile every now and then. That's just human.
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"...my wife follows a faith based religion and I allowed her to bring our two children up in that church..."

You "ALLLOWED" her to!!
Gee, that was awful big of you.
 
leaningright said:
So if this is true then it is the task of both the religious AND non-religious to convert people to their way of thinking. Interesting...
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It is hardly a task, it is a choice. It is also a choice for either side to accept or reject. If you consider it a 'task' you should really consider the degree by which you have been sucked in to a belief that a magic fairy actually decreed evangelism.
 
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Lowaicue said:
It is hardly a task, it is a choice. It is also a choice for either side to accept or reject. If you consider it a 'task' you should really consider the degree by which you have been sucked in to a belief that a magic fairy actually decreed evangelism.
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Task, choice (to do), onus, duty...whatever descriptor you would like to use, it appears that there are those on both sides who feel the need to convert others. I do find that interesting.
 
Lowaicue said:
Most atheists, and I include myself in this, don't give a damn for religion or the adherents of religion. Religion does not impinge on their lives at all. However, when injustices are promoted in the name of religion, as human beings, atheists often express their opinions.
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Yes, but where is the evidence someone was trying to promote an injustice with their religion, which prompted you to express your opinion here?

One cannot fear things that do not exist (yes, I know some children are scared of monsters and things).
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My point exactly. You must believe God exists to fear him so much.

Now when parents insist that their children believe in one particular untruth then we should all become concerned.
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No we shouldn't, it's not any of your fucking business. You're not the purveyor of truth, no one died and made you supreme guardian of the truth. You claim to believe something different, and that is your right, but it's an injustice promoted in the name of your NON-religion, to try and force me to live by what you believe. It's amazing, you deride religious people for something you have no evidence for, while doing the very thing you claim they are doing.

(before I go any further I need to say that my wife follows a faith based religion and I allowed her to bring our two children up in that church. Daughter has stuck to her faith, son has given it up.)
The benefits that I saw of a religious education were that where we lived when we were first married was not known for its outstanding education. The local Catholic school was consistently obtaining better results and believed in a little discipline.
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I just can't imagine an Atheist finding a Catholic school which is not 'promoting injustices in the name of religion', are these Atheistic Catholics? Shouldn't someone step in and prevent you from teaching your children untruths? It's what you said a moment ago, does this not apply to you?

Most atheists do not resort to ridicule unless they contribute to a forum such as this which appears to have some of the most narrow minded religious zealots as contributors.
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Again, I am not seeing where you were prompted by any sort of zealot, to post this thread. I see the evidence of you talking down to those who have religious beliefs, calling what they believe "untruths" and proclaiming your 'right' to tell them how to raise their kids... which, doesn't apparently apply to you or your own kids.

The insults, as can be readily seen from this thread, tend to come from the theist side.
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No, actually, by the very existence of this thread, you are contradicted. I've not insulted anyone, I have only stated facts and opinions.

The temptation to hurl insults when faced with people who say they believe the earth is flat or that it is only 6000 years old or that some unknown and unproven figment of imagination created everything we see about us, is often too great.
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I see no thread on the board promoting a 6,000 year old Earth, and no 'religious' poster I know of, has ever tried to present that argument at JPP. And you are free to believe that belief in God is "an unproven figment of imagination" but you aren't free to tell me that's what I must think as well.

You have said you are 'spiritual' rather than a believer in a god. That's fine with me and most people I guess. I will engage you but I will not ridicule you unless you ridicule me and others. Your sig line tends to ridicule.
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My sig line is a direct quote from another poster. The thread post is even linked, so people can go read it for themselves. It's not ridicule to quote someone, is it? I'm glad that you approve my right to my spiritual beliefs, but I don't need or require your approval.

I will however ridicule you for your politics and the silliness of your politicians. After all we have to have a smile every now and then. That's just human.
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Yes, Atheists are generally miserable people who need to find things to smile about. Usually taking a big steamy dump on religion for no reason at all, is plenty enough to bring a smile to their face. Lashing out at a God they blame for their lot in life, or credit for the injustices done to them, is very gratifying indeed. I understand completely.
 
Dixie said:
Yes, but where is the evidence someone was trying to promote an injustice with their religion, which prompted you to express your opinion here?



My point exactly. You must believe God exists to fear him so much.

I said one cannot fear things that do not exist in response to someone (was it you) who said atheists were afraid of god. Not a very good spin, Dixie.

No we shouldn't, it's not any of your fucking business. You're not the purveyor of truth, no one died and made you supreme guardian of the truth. You claim to believe something different, and that is your right, but it's an injustice promoted in the name of your NON-religion, to try and force me to live by what you believe. It's amazing, you deride religious people for something you have no evidence for, while doing the very thing you claim they are doing.

Of course we should. It is of great concern that children who are too young to make up their own minds are locked into fallicies by people they should be able to trust.

I just can't imagine an Atheist finding a Catholic school which is not 'promoting injustices in the name of religion', are these Atheistic Catholics? Shouldn't someone step in and prevent you from teaching your children untruths? It's what you said a moment ago, does this not apply to you?

Faced with the choice at the time coupled with a lack of concern (you see, Dixie, people who can think can also change). I have been a non-theist since my early teens. My decision was based upon education standards. Another time, another place might have got a different decision.


Again, I am not seeing where you were prompted by any sort of zealot, to post this thread. I see the evidence of you talking down to those who have religious beliefs, calling what they believe "untruths" and proclaiming your 'right' to tell them how to raise their kids... which, doesn't apparently apply to you or your own kids.

People who place their faith in fairies can certainly not be talked 'up' to, can they?


No, actually, by the very existence of this thread, you are contradicted. I've not insulted anyone, I have only stated facts and opinions.

You may believe that if you wish.

I see no thread on the board promoting a 6,000 year old Earth, and no 'religious' poster I know of, has ever tried to present that argument at JPP. And you are free to believe that belief in God is "an unproven figment of imagination" but you aren't free to tell me that's what I must think as well.

You must be feeling quite dizzy now. I don't think I have told you what you must think. I might have told you what you should NOT think however.

My sig line is a direct quote from another poster. The thread post is even linked, so people can go read it for themselves. It's not ridicule to quote someone, is it? I'm glad that you approve my right to my spiritual beliefs, but I don't need or require your approval.

There are millions of quotes from which you could have chosen. The choice of sig line was a conscious one made by a conscious adult. Don't try to tell us you accept no responsibility for it because the words did not originate with you.

Yes, Atheists are generally miserable people who need to find things to smile about. Usually taking a big steamy dump on religion for no reason at all, is plenty enough to bring a smile to their face. Lashing out at a God they blame for their lot in life, or credit for the injustices done to them, is very gratifying indeed. I understand completely.
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Everyone is an atheist to some degree. Are you saying that everyone is miserable? You need to get out and meet people. Remind me of the last time you consciously brought humour to this forum. Actually your final paragraph contains so little of substance that I give up. I have just returned home, unscathed incidentally, from a very nice Nepalese meal in one of the older parts of Hong Kong. The food was excellent and the staff were a delight. I hope you enjoy the rest of your day.
Alone you are quite well equipped to face the trials and tribulations of life. You do not need assistance from a 'whistle-in-the-dark' imagination. Try it sometime.
 
leaningright said:
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Task, choice (to do), onus, duty...whatever descriptor you would like to use, it appears that there are those on both sides who feel the need to convert others. I do find that interesting.
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I disagree. Atheists don't evangelize. We generally don't care as long as a 'belief' isn't foisted on us with various laws.
 
LOL: Very poignant, LowIQ!


Yes, but where is the evidence someone was trying to promote an injustice with their religion, which prompted you to express your opinion here?




My point exactly. You must believe God exists to fear him so much.
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Something is conspicuously missing here... oh yeah, it's your RESPONSE! Point proven.

Of course we should. It is of great concern that children who are too young to make up their own minds are locked into fallicies by people they should be able to trust.
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But it is YOUR belief these are "fallacies" and you don't condone people forcing their beliefs upon you, remember??? It is none of your business how others raise their children, you have absolutely NO say in that, or in what they can be taught by their parents. It's not up to you, and it won't ever be unless you become the Emperor of China, maybe?

People who place their faith in fairies can certainly not be talked 'up' to, can they?
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Again, why does it bother you that people believe differently than you? Why must you insult and denigrate? What did God do, or fail to do, that has you so bitter, that you would denigrate those who worship him? It had to be something pretty significant, to draw this much passion from you, over something you claim doesn't even exist.

You may believe that if you wish.
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Thanks, but again, I do not need your permission to believe. I do wish! ...And I also wish for you to keep your fucking nose out of it, and stop telling me what to believe and not to believe, and telling me what to teach my children, because it's not any of your goddamn business.

There are millions of quotes from which you could have chosen. The choice of sig line was a conscious one made by a conscious adult. Don't try to tell us you accept no responsibility for it because the words did not originate with you.
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Oh I proudly accept full responsibility for my sig lines! But these are not MY words, they are direct quotes from pinheads on this board. I am not ridiculing them by quoting them, they ridicule themselves with their own words, I just point that out to people in my sig line. Don't shoot the messenger!
 
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