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Actually my GOD does exist! Your biblical god on the other hand is greatly mis-interpreted and mis-understood.

Again, we need to clarify, I am not a Christian. I don't have a "biblical god" in the hunt here. I know that a Supreme force is present in the universe, and that is what I typically refer to as "God" in conversation, but it has nothing to do with "biblical god." I'm not here to argue if the Bible is right or wrong, just to argue what the Bible does and does not say. YOU are the one who is consistently misinterpreting and misunderstanding the Scriptures. I am doing my best to shed some light for you, but you're a bigot full of hate, and you simply refuse to be educated.
 
Show me in Genesis where it says a day is one sun cycle.
The people who wrote it knew on day as one sun cycle.
But you are correct virtually nothing in the bible is proveable except some who beget who stuff or the existance of some cities, etc Historical stuff.
 
HE doesn't stop time or create and destroy things four times. The notion is idiotic.

I didn't say "four times" I said BILLIONS of times. Get your facts straight! Explain WHY it's idiotic? IS God OMNIPOTENT or not? Does God supposedly have the power to create the universe and time itself, yet he is powerless against the very 'time' he created? THAT is the idiotic notion here! If God is omnipotent, it means he can make 'time' be whatever he wants it to be, he can stop it, fast-forward or rewind it, as he pleases.

Four verses of Genesis happen before any mention of "days" or "nights." A lot of things are described as happening in those four verses. How much time passed? Days hadn't been created yet, so we don't know. It could have been billions of years, many other things could have been created and destroyed in that period, we don't know, the Bible doesn't say. Again, you are ASSUMING what happened between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:5, all happened within a 24 hr period of time we know as a day. The Bible simply does not say this.
 
Again, we need to clarify, I am not a Christian. I don't have a "biblical god" in the hunt here. I know that a Supreme force is present in the universe, and that is what I typically refer to as "God" in conversation, but it has nothing to do with "biblical god." I'm not here to argue if the Bible is right or wrong, just to argue what the Bible does and does not say. YOU are the one who is consistently misinterpreting and misunderstanding the Scriptures. I am doing my best to shed some light for you, but you're a bigot full of hate, and you simply refuse to be educated.

NO!!!!You insisted that the Biblical version of creation is accurate!!! You lost credibility right from the get go!!! Your back peddling is noted!

You are shedding no light! Just talking nonsense! You are the one in denial and refusing to acknowledge the facts!
 
The people who wrote it knew on day as one sun cycle.
But you are correct virtually nothing in the bible is proveable except some who beget who stuff or the existance of some cities, etc Historical stuff.

The people who wrote the Bible used Hebrew, and the word they used was "yom" not "day."

First, one must understand that the Hebrew language is not nearly as diverse as our English language. Whereas our vocabulary is around half a million, the Hebrew language has only 8,700 words. The French language, one of the poorest modern languages in vocabulary and the language of choice for diplomats, has just about 40,000 words or over 4 times the amount of words that Ancient Hebrew has.
Many of the Hebrew words could be considered duplicates with only slight differences. Thus, words which contain multiple meanings are common. Such is the case with the word Yom.

It is interesting to note that in 67 verses in the Old Testament, the word Yom is translated into the English word "time." For instance, in Genesis 4:3, it says "And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord." In this instance, Yom refers to a growing season, probably several months. Again, in Deuteronomy 10:10, it refers to a "time" equal to forty days. In I Kings 11:42, it says "And the time that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years." In this case, Yom translated as the word "time" is equivalent to a 40 year period.
In Isaiah 30:8, it says "Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever." In this case, Yom is equal to "forever." How long is forever? An infinite number of years...billions upon billions upon billons of years. If Yom can equal trillions of years here, then why not billions of years in Genesis?

http://www.oldearth.org/word_study_yom.htm
 
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I didn't say "four times" I said BILLIONS of times. Get your facts straight! Explain WHY it's idiotic? IS God OMNIPOTENT or not? Does God supposedly have the power to create the universe and time itself, yet he is powerless against the very 'time' he created? THAT is the idiotic notion here! If God is omnipotent, it means he can make 'time' be whatever he wants it to be, he can stop it, fast-forward or rewind it, as he pleases.

Four verses of Genesis happen before any mention of "days" or "nights." A lot of things are described as happening in those four verses. How much time passed? Days hadn't been created yet, so we don't know. It could have been billions of years, many other things could have been created and destroyed in that period, we don't know, the Bible doesn't say. Again, you are ASSUMING what happened between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:5, all happened within a 24 hr period of time we know as a day. The Bible simply does not say this.

Listen! GOD is all knowing and many religious people believe that everything has been predestined. Therefore, for GOD to stop time or fast forward or rewind would mean that HE made a mistake and had to change something. An all knowing GOD would have no need to use such powers!

And if GOD can do these things, WHY did it take HIM 6 days? HE could have done it in a nano second!!!!There is no way the creation myth of Scripture is historically accurate. Those are the facts!!! Live with it!
 
NO!!!!You insisted that the Biblical version of creation is accurate!!! You lost credibility right from the get go!!! Your back peddling is noted!

You are shedding no light! Just talking nonsense! You are the one in denial and refusing to acknowledge the facts!

Please quote where I have said anything about historical accuracy. If you can't do that, you are lying and it will be proven by your lack of posting the direct quote for all to see, right here, right now.
 
Listen! GOD is all knowing and many religious people believe that everything has been predestined. Therefore, for GOD to stop time or fast forward or rewind would mean that HE made a mistake and had to change something. An all knowing GOD would have no need to use such powers!

And if GOD can do these things, WHY did it take HIM 6 days? HE could have done it in a nano second!!!!There is no way the creation myth of Scripture is historically accurate. Those are the facts!!! Live with it!

Show me how you conclude that God's manipulation of time would denote a "mistake?" I am not following your logic.
 
Please quote where I have said anything about historical accuracy. If you can't do that, you are lying and it will be proven by your lack of posting the direct quote for all to see, right here, right now.

Like seriously. Are you senile?

Dixie wrote "Can you prove that Genesis is historically inaccurate? Then shut the fuck up, moron. "

Then you defended tooth and nail about the creation story and how it is accurate but that I do not know how to properly interpret Scripture. Now stop embarrassing yourself.LOL
 
And if GOD can do these things, WHY did it take HIM 6 days? HE could have done it in a nano second!!!!There is no way the creation myth of Scripture is historically accurate. Those are the facts!!! Live with it!

I have been telling you all along, if by "historically accurate" you mean, "God created the whole universe and all life in six 24 hr. periods," then you are correct. The problem is, that's not what The Bible says. Genesis is not a documentation of historic events, and I can illustrate to you how utterly stupid it is of you, to assume such a thing. WHO is documenting this story? There is only GOD! For the first 5.99 "days" of the creation story, there are no humans. So how can any human possibly know "historical accuracy" during this period, or even comprehend what that means? We don't exist when this story is being told, it is before our creation. How can humans experience time before they exist to experience anything? It's not possible.

Genesis was not originally written in English, I realize that might come as a shock to an idiot such as yourself, but it was actually written in Hebrew, and the same word they used for "day" is also used four other times in Genesis alone, to denote completely different periods of time. Yom can mean "day" but it can also mean "a time" or "an era" or "season" or any number of periods up to, and including, INFINITY! This word was translated into the English language as "days" for the creation story in Genesis, but it was translated to "time" in other chapters and verses, or "seasons" or "periods." You are completely relying on a literal modern English interpretation, and disregarding all historical facts regarding translations.

I've taken apart the first part of Genesis 1, and shown you where your perceptions are incorrect. The verses you continue to post are Gen 1:3-5, which concludes with the first day. There has been a morning and afternoon, but there is no Sun or Moon yet, so how can that be? Clearly we are not talking about time in the eyes of a human, since we didn't yet exist. Clearly we are being told the story through the eyes of God, as God would have experienced these things. Finally, the point of Genesis is not to explain HOW God did it, but rather, explain THAT God did it.
 
Like seriously. Are you senile?

Dixie wrote "Can you prove that Genesis is historically inaccurate? Then shut the fuck up, moron. "

Then you defended tooth and nail about the creation story and how it is accurate but that I do not know how to properly interpret Scripture. Now stop embarrassing yourself.LOL

And you've not proven it to be historically inaccurate. You have proven you know how to mis-translate and misinterpret the scripture. You have tried desperately to prop up the "Early Earth" theories of a 6,000 year time line, then pretend this is what I am arguing, or what the Bible actually says, but you have only posted one snippet from the Bible, and I have schooled you on it completely.

Again, you have not posted a quote from me where I have stated the creation story is accurate. Me challenging you to prove your statement, is not a claim of accuracy, particularly not a claim of accuracy according to your perverted interpretations. I have only defended what is actually in the Bible and what it means to Christians. We can't define "historical accuracy" with the Bible in Genesis before a point in time we even existed. We can make presumptions based on what we know of the universe at this time, but does anyone know what the universe was like before the Big Bang?
 
Let's not forget that the "translations" were for the benefit of the people of the day and their level of understanding.
To expect someone, from so long ago, to have a concept of what a million, or a billion years meant, is unreasonable.

Same as with Noah and the flood.
In that time; the "WORLD" of the normal person, wasn't a hugely immense area.
For a person to say that their world flooded, could just mean that the "world" they knew, flooded.
 
You attack Christian fanatics, but conveniently turn a blind eye to Palestinian fanatics. Interesting.

Well, technically, according to the Bible, there was a day/night cycle before the Sun and Moon were created. So it's obviously not intended to be taken literally to begin with.

The news is full of the atrocities committed by the Palestinians, but how much do you hear about the crimes comitted by Israel? I challenged you one time to do your research, it looks like you didn't care enough to take the time to educate yourself.
 
And you've not proven it to be historically inaccurate. You have proven you know how to mis-translate and misinterpret the scripture. You have tried desperately to prop up the "Early Earth" theories of a 6,000 year time line, then pretend this is what I am arguing, or what the Bible actually says, but you have only posted one snippet from the Bible, and I have schooled you on it completely.

Again, you have not posted a quote from me where I have stated the creation story is accurate. Me challenging you to prove your statement, is not a claim of accuracy, particularly not a claim of accuracy according to your perverted interpretations. I have only defended what is actually in the Bible and what it means to Christians. We can't define "historical accuracy" with the Bible in Genesis before a point in time we even existed. We can make presumptions based on what we know of the universe at this time, but does anyone know what the universe was like before the Big Bang?

Round and round we go folks. We are dealing with a man in denial.

He wrote:Please quote where I have said anything about historical accuracy. If you can't do that, you are lying and it will be proven by your lack of posting the direct quote for all to see, right here, right now.

I quickly posted it.Dixie wrote "Can you prove that Genesis is historically inaccurate? Then shut the fuck up, moron. "

Now he is back to defending the historical accuracy of the Bible. What an idiot.LOL!!!!

Listen you fucking idiot! First you say that the bible doesn't say the universe was made in 6 days. Then I showed you the Bible says in fact that it does state this.

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

Then you tell me some nonsense about one day being a thousand years in GOD time.

I then in the same fucking chapter tell you that the book of Genesis defines what a day is! One morning and one evening. Not a thousand days. Plus we are talking Billions of years. Not thousands.

Genesis 1:3-5

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.


Basically everything you stated I debunked using Scripture idiot. You got your ass kicked in this debate SOUNDLY. Your just too much of an idiot to admit defeat so you constantly re ask questions which have been already answered multiple times. Do you have Alzheimer's or something?
 
Show me how you conclude that God's manipulation of time would denote a "mistake?" I am not following your logic.

It's because you have to have a higher education then grade 5 to follow my logic! ROTFLOL!!!!

Tell me. How does Moses change the mind of an all knowing GOD?lol Simply because he is speaking with a mortal King, not GOD. The god of the Old Testament is no god at all. It is about myths and ancestral worship. And the blood line of these ancestral leaders.

Exodus 32:8-12

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

8 They have quickly turned aside from the way which I commanded them. They have made for themselves a molten calf, and have worshiped it and have sacrificed to it and said, ‘This is your god, O Israel, who brought you up from the land of Egypt!’” 9 The Lord said to Moses, “I have seen this people, and behold, they are an obstinate people. 10 Now then let Me alone, that My anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them; and I will make of you a great nation.”
Moses’ Entreaty

11 Then Moses entreated the Lord his God, and said, “O Lord, why does Your anger burn against Your people whom You have brought out from the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand? 12 Why should the Egyptians speak, saying, ‘With evil intent He brought them out to kill them in the mountains and to destroy them from the face of the earth’? Turn from Your burning anger and change Your mind about doing harm to Your people.
 
Round and round we go folks. We are dealing with a man in denial.

No one is going "round and round" except you. No one is in denial except you.

He wrote:Please quote where I have said anything about historical accuracy. If you can't do that, you are lying and it will be proven by your lack of posting the direct quote for all to see, right here, right now.

I quickly posted it.Dixie wrote "Can you prove that Genesis is historically inaccurate? Then shut the fuck up, moron. "

And as anyone with half a brain can see, I did not say Genesis was historically accurate, I asked you if you could prove it historically inaccurate. You haven't done so, and you've not shown where I claimed it was accurate. You're 0 for 2.

Now he is back to defending the historical accuracy of the Bible. What an idiot.LOL!!!!

Again, I have not mentioned historical accuracy. Not one time. What an idiot YOU are, indeed!LOL!!!

Listen you fucking idiot! First you say that the bible doesn't say the universe was made in 6 days. Then I showed you the Bible says in fact that it does state this.

No, I showed you in Gen 1:1-5, where there is no defined period of time, therefore, the Bible does not claim the universe was created in 6 days. You've continued to stubbornly insist that is what the Bible says, when it's not so. The entire basis of your argument relies on the "Early Earth" timeline of 6,000 years, which I illustrated was a fallacy and misinterpretation of the scripture. You've yet to refute anything I've stated.

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

Doesn't indicate how long the days were. Also, the Hebrew word for "day" is "Yom" which can mean any number of things. We're repeating ourselves now, and that's fine with me, I need practice typing, so this does me some good. I don't mind going over this again and again, as many times as your ignorant ass wants to bring it up. What's NOT going to happen here, is I'm not going to walk away and let you have the last word. So you keep repeating your tired old debunked claims, and I'll keep on pointing out what a moron you are.

Then you tell me some nonsense about one day being a thousand years in GOD time.

It's not nonsense, I posted a verse of scripture from the Bible. It demonstrates that God is control of time, and is not constrained by it. Again, you have yet to offer any refutation of my point. You're now on record as saying Biblical scriptures are "nonsense" even as you continue to use Biblical scriptures to make a point. This makes you appear to be an even bigger dumbass than anyone thought you were.

I then in the same fucking chapter tell you that the book of Genesis defines what a day is! One morning and one evening. Not a thousand days. Plus we are talking Billions of years. Not thousands.

Yes, and you failed to explain how we could have a morning and evening without the existence of a sun, which hadn't been created at the time of the verse you like to quote.

Genesis 1:3-5

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

No sun exists at this time, it is still a couple "days" away from being created. Aside from that minor detail, you have not explained how much time has passed between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:3. The reason you can't explain is because the Bible doesn't say. Also remaining, is the question of "Yom" and whether it means a 24 hr. day, or a 12 hr. period or a "season" or a "year" or as in later books, "a 40-year reign" or "infinity." All of these are described in the Bible using the exact same word, "Yom." You're simply taking a modern English translation of the Hebrew Bible, and applying a senseless literal standard that simply doesn't comport with logic or reason. It has been clearly pointed out to you numerous times, yet you continue to insist you are correct.

Basically everything you stated I debunked using Scripture idiot. You got your ass kicked in this debate SOUNDLY. Your just too much of an idiot to admit defeat so you constantly re ask questions which have been already answered multiple times. Do you have Alzheimer's or something?

No, nothing I have said has been debunked. You continue to whine and moan like a little school girl, and maintain that you are correct. That isn't "winning" in a debate, that is showing people what an incompetent buffoon you are. Now, we can just keep re-typing all of this same stuff over and over again, if that makes you feel better about things, but you're still not going to "win" this debate. You can keep hurling one insult after another at me, calling me names and being an insufferable prick, and you're still not going to "win" the debate. You can copy and paste the same old verses again and again, and guess what? Still aren't going to "win" this debate. Until you can satisfactorily answer the questions I have presented, (which you obviously can't) then you have been bested here.

1. You've not proven anything in Genesis to be "historically inaccurate."
2. You've not shown where I have claimed Genesis is "historically accurate."
3. You've not explained how we can have morning, evening, and days, without a sun.
4. You've not explained how the Hebrew word, "Yom" can only mean "day."
5. You've not explained why an omnipotent God has to be constrained by the limits of physics and time.
6. You've not proven how much time passed before Gen 1:3.
7. You can't justify why the creation story is told from the perspective of humans, who didn't yet exist.
8. You can't explain how "historical accuracy" (or "inaccuracy") can be determined before human beings were created.
9. You've still not offered any evidence to support your claim the Bible says the earth is 6,000 years old.
10. Not only have you failed to show why God couldn't have created the universe in 6 days, you haven't shown why he couldn't have done it in one day, or a nano-second, and why he couldn't have created and destroyed the dinosaurs or billions of other unknown life forms in the universe, between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:3.

In essence, you've really not shown or proven a damn thing here. You continue to pop off like a know-it-all smart ass punk in grade school, who needs someone to nail him in the mouth one good time, to straighten his ass out. Too bad I don't know you in real life, I would be glad to oblige. Now go repeat your last dozen posts again, so that I can repeat mine and we can keep the "debate" going, because I know you're too fucking ignorant to shut the hell up and move on, and I realize you think if you can get the last word in, you will have "won" something. But let it be known here and now, you have not answered the 10 points listed above, and you can't. Therefore, your ass belongs to me, bitch.
 
It's because you have to have a higher education then grade 5 to follow my logic! ROTFLOL!!!!

Tell me. How does Moses change the mind of an all knowing GOD?lol Simply because he is speaking with a mortal King, not GOD. The god of the Old Testament is no god at all. It is about myths and ancestral worship. And the blood line of these ancestral leaders.

Exodus 32:8-12

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

8 They have quickly turned aside from the way which I commanded them. They have made for themselves a molten calf, and have worshiped it and have sacrificed to it and said, ‘This is your god, O Israel, who brought you up from the land of Egypt!’” 9 The Lord said to Moses, “I have seen this people, and behold, they are an obstinate people. 10 Now then let Me alone, that My anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them; and I will make of you a great nation.”
Moses’ Entreaty

11 Then Moses entreated the Lord his God, and said, “O Lord, why does Your anger burn against Your people whom You have brought out from the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand? 12 Why should the Egyptians speak, saying, ‘With evil intent He brought them out to kill them in the mountains and to destroy them from the face of the earth’? Turn from Your burning anger and change Your mind about doing harm to Your people.

You'll need to debate a Christian about the teachings of Christianity, I am not a Christian, I have no answer for this. MY God doesn't have anger or feelings like human beings. I've made it very clear, I am not here to debate Christian theology with you. However, in the book of Revelations, it clearly states that you shouldn't take parts of the Bible and disregard the rest. The Bible is to be taken as a whole, and only as a whole. This means, you can't parse out a verse of scripture and make some profound point with it, you have to read the entire Bible and take the verse in context of the entire Bible, not on it's own accord. That is part of the problem we're having in the debate over the creation story. You want to view it as some sort of documentary account of historical detail, and then pick it apart, and I don't view it the same way. If it is viewed in context with the rest of the Bible, we see it is not intended to be some altruistic account of detail, but simply an explanation of how God created the universe, presented from the perspective of God.
 
Ya know, Dixie vs. Wise1 would actually a good debate. If you both are willing to make it a formal thing, I think it'd be great for the site.

Actually, this is one of the most pathetic debates I've ever been involved in. I would LOVE to have a deep intellectual conversation with someone who could support their viewpoints and back up what they say. This clown is a total punk. He does not care about facts or backing up his claims, he just wants to spew hate and vile at religious people. Nowhere in this thread, has he followed any rule of debate. He won't support his claims, he won't respond to total debunking of his points, and he seems more than content with constantly erecting straw man arguments, then torching them and claiming some kind of retarded victory. More chortles, lols, and ad homs, along with repeating the same old shit over and over again, that's all he has offered. How you, or anyone, can possibly think he has presented a "good argument" here, is beyond me.
 
Actually, this is one of the most pathetic debates I've ever been involved in. I would LOVE to have a deep intellectual conversation with someone who could support their viewpoints and back up what they say. This clown is a total punk. He does not care about facts or backing up his claims, he just wants to spew hate and vile at religious people. Nowhere in this thread, has he followed any rule of debate. He won't support his claims, he won't respond to total debunking of his points, and he seems more than content with constantly erecting straw man arguments, then torching them and claiming some kind of retarded victory. More chortles, lols, and ad homs, along with repeating the same old shit over and over again, that's all he has offered. How you, or anyone, can possibly think he has presented a "good argument" here, is beyond me.

I didn't say he made a good argument here, I haven't even read the thread (and have no intention of reading it). I just think it would be interesting to see you two in a formal debate.
 
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