Photo of bloodied, broken nosed George Zimmerman released

Damocles said:
Yes, it will. Which doesn't change the accuracy of my statement even one iota. There is evidence contrary to the assumption that he was actively pursuing Trayvon when this all began. He started doing that, but evidence seems to indicate that he stopped and was returning to his car. You can even hear him stop running and his breathing return to normal.

The reality. Leftists have already convicted him in their minds. The righties generally say, "We'll see, but from evidence that I've seen he's likely not going to be convicted of Murder 2"...

Only one side seems to have that surety, and it seems based on "black dude got shot by guy with white sounding name" and not based on the evidence we've seen.
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And righties have already acquitted him in their minds. It's two sides of the same coin.
 
christiefan915 said:
And righties have already acquitted him in their minds. It's two sides of the same coin.
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Generally incorrect.

In my experience on this board and in life most righties, with some notable exceptions, seem to have a wait and see attitude. While, every indication in this thread, and the screaming I've heard in life, shows that leftists have a "he's guilty" and not a wait for the trial attitude.

I believe that the trial will answer this question to my satisfaction. Juries get to see and hear more than I'll have, and I generally trust the system.

I think you mistake a presumption of innocence with an assurance of acquittal. You have to prove that he wasn't being attacked and that he maliciously attacked the kid. That he was never in danger... etc. I don't think it is likely he'll be convicted, there is simply too much evidence that GZ was defending himself.
 
Damocles said:
Generally incorrect.

In my experience on this board and in life most righties, with some notable exceptions, seem to have a wait and see attitude. While, every indication in this thread, and the screaming I've heard in life, shows that leftists have a "he's guilty" and not a wait for the trial attitude.
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Yeah, well that is what is wrong with your experience.
 
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Damocles said:
Yes, it will. Which doesn't change the accuracy of my statement even one iota. There is evidence contrary to the assumption that he was actively pursuing Trayvon when this all began. He started doing that, but evidence seems to indicate that he stopped and was returning to his car. You can even hear him stop running and his breathing return to normal.

The reality. Leftists have already convicted him in their minds. The righties generally say, "We'll see, but from evidence that I've seen he's likely not going to be convicted of Murder 2"...

Only one side seems to have that surety, and it seems based on "black dude got shot by guy with white sounding name" and not based on the evidence we've seen.
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All you opinion and it doesn't mean squat.
 
Damocles said:
Generally incorrect.

In my experience on this board and in life most righties, with some notable exceptions, seem to have a wait and see attitude. While, every indication in this thread, and the screaming I've heard in life, shows that leftists have a "he's guilty" and not a wait for the trial attitude.

I believe that the trial will answer this question to my satisfaction. Juries get to see and hear more than I'll have, and I generally trust the system.

I think you mistake a presumption of innocence with an assurance of acquittal. You have to prove that he wasn't being attacked and that he maliciously attacked the kid. That he was never in danger... etc. I don't think it is likely he'll be convicted, there is simply too much evidence that GZ was defending himself.
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You definitely have a partisan way of reading things. I'm not sure what you read on this board to give you that indication or POV.
 
Rana said:
Yeah, we'll that is what is wrong with your experience.
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Regardless of "experience" we can see from the board itself people on the right, generally with two noted exceptions in this thread, say that they'll wait for the trial. Your experience is the same, it is your ability to ignore that and assume a guilt without regard to our system that is different.
 
Rana said:
All you opinion and it doesn't mean squat.
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Cool enough. This is a board that we come to express our opinions though. If you don't think your opinion matters there is no reason for you to come here. However. It is my opinion that we should wait for the trial before we convict Zimmerman, and that the assumption of guilt is contrary to our system of justice.
 
Damocles said:
Generally incorrect.

In my experience on this board and in life most righties, with some notable exceptions, seem to have a wait and see attitude. While, every indication in this thread, and the screaming I've heard in life, shows that leftists have a "he's guilty" and not a wait for the trial attitude.

I believe that the trial will answer this question to my satisfaction. Juries get to see and hear more than I'll have, and I generally trust the system.

I think you mistake a presumption of innocence with an assurance of acquittal. You have to prove that he wasn't being attacked and that he maliciously attacked the kid. That he was never in danger... etc. I don't think it is likely he'll be convicted, there is simply too much evidence that GZ was defending himself.
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Your first paragraph I don't buy at all. Maybe 1-2 take the "wait and see" attitude but more than that say that it was clearly self-defense on GZ's part. This is the big thing that ticks me off. The only one who really knows what went on is GZ and he's certainly not going to say anything to incriminate himself. So all we have isl this noise that TM was a thug, TM attacked without provocation, TM was big and would have killed GZ if he hadn't reacted, etc. There's nobody to speak for TM and he's dead.

I hope they have a change of venue for the trial because from what I know of Sanford, I don't trust the jurors to be impartial. Sanford has a history of discrimination.

And last, your comment that there is simply too much evidence that GZ was defending himself is mostly out of the mouth of GZ. I can see this trial going the way of the OJ trial.
 
Damocles said:
Regardless of "experience" we can see from the board itself people on the right, generally with two noted exceptions in this thread, say that they'll wait for the trial. Your experience is the same, it is your ability to ignore that and assume a guilt without regard to our system that is different.
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There are and were plenty of people on this board who take the wait and see approach. Some of them are gone, and some of them didn't post on this thread.
 
does it bother you that people that have already convicted zimmerman and claimed martin was innocent?

you only complain about the opposite.
 
christiefan915 said:
Your first paragraph I don't buy at all. Maybe 1-2 take the "wait and see" attitude but more than that say that it was clearly self-defense on GZ's part. This is the big thing that ticks me off. The only one who really knows what went on is GZ and he's certainly not going to say anything to incriminate himself. So all we have isl this noise that TM was a thug, TM attacked without provocation, TM was big and would have killed GZ if he hadn't reacted, etc. There's nobody to speak for TM and he's dead.
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If this were true then there is no reason to hold a trial.

I hope they have a change of venue for the trial because from what I know of Sanford, I don't trust the jurors to be impartial. Sanford has a history of discrimination.
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I tend to think that regardless of where your first reaction to an acquittal will be a presumption of discrimination.

And last, your comment that there is simply too much evidence that GZ was defending himself is mostly out of the mouth of GZ. I can see this trial going the way of the OJ trial.
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Actually, no. I take evidence other than what GZ said into account. Simply saying, "I was defending myself" doesn't mean he was.

For instance: I can hear on the tape GZ acquiesce to the "you don't need to do that" suggestion, slow down, stop breathing heavy, actually say he doesn't know where the guy is (can't follow if he doesn't know where he is) I get the idea that he wasn't following him... It isn't based on GZ saying he was defending himself, there is actually evidence other than his statements after the fact that we can look to.
 
Damocles said:
Again. This was released by the Florida Authorities, not by Zimmerman, not by his attorney. It was withheld from his attorney. Learn a bit first, then type so you won't look like a fool so often...
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Bullshit. You believe whatever suits you. This would've been conveniently 'leaked' already, if it were real. It isn't. You go ahead and swallow whatever horseshit pleases your palate and I'll go with what is obvious.
 
Bijou said:
Bullshit. You believe whatever suits you. This would've been conveniently 'leaked' already, if it were real. It isn't. You go ahead and swallow whatever horseshit pleases your palate and I'll go with what is obvious.
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head in sand syndrome. i have shown you repeatedly that this wasn't released until late october.

just shut up bijou. please. thank you.
 
Stargazer said:
:rofl2: :rofl2:

Damn, when Zimmerman walks it IS going to be way more pleasing than Romney winning.

And walk he will...........
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Why will it be pleasing? A young man is dead, Zimmerman's life is ruined. Why would you find the least little bit of pleasure in this very sad affair.

I hope justice is served, but it is not something to gloat about.
 
Rana said:
Why will it be pleasing? A young man is dead, Zimmerman's life is ruined. Why would you find the least little bit of pleasure in this very sad affair.

I hope justice is served, but it is not something to gloat about.
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Why? Because it is going to be justice served to the lynch mob media who smeared this man and posted lie after lie about the case.

What has transpired is absolutely abhorrent. And justice WILL be served.
 
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