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No. The reason is that we don't even understand climate. We don't know how to account for water vapor. So to just wildly assume we can impact global climate is sheer idiocy and arrogance that is beyond comprehension.
The Earth has been getting warmer
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No. The reason is that we don't even understand climate. We don't know how to account for water vapor. So to just wildly assume we can impact global climate is sheer idiocy and arrogance that is beyond comprehension.
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Hold on there Sparky. I don't deny that the erf gets warmer. Of course it does. It gets warmer. It gets colder. What I flat out deny because there hasn't been one shred of scientific proof other than falsified computer models is that man can impact the global climate. It is asinine to think that we can.
Of course there are demalquedacrats who think that Marines might cause an island to tip over so I guess people will believe anything
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I'm so old, I remember when we didn't have tornadoes in January.
I'm so old, I remember when Tornado Alley was in Oklahoma, not Alabama.
Democrats can't even get Repugs to admit things are changing.
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Lowaicue
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Proof, proof, proof. What are you asking for? There is evidence and evidence takes a long time to change into proof. But evidence can be shown and can be discussed and debated. Evidence can (usually) be modelled and replicated. Evidence may be proven to be wrong in time. But one thing proved wrong does not give proof to ANY alternative theories.
To keep thumping away with the words 'cite' and 'proof' amply illustrates that your are locked up in a mind fashioned by fairy stories and prejudice.
Why do you deny climate change? Why do you deny man's part in it? Why do you equate such discussion with party politics. Why?
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1) I don't deny the climate changes. It does so four times a year and has been doing so for hundreds of millions of years
2) There is zero evidence man is causing it and if you are going to ask me to alter my lifestyle for some crackpot theory, you better have proof. Not just emotion
3) everything is politics. The left has been drumming up fear about Mother erf to try to scare people into giving up freedoms and giving more control to gobblement it apparently has worked on you
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Everything is politics...IN AMERICA, where the population has never before been so divided. What is the matter with you all? The anti climate change people and the anti realism people seem to see themselves as rebels, personally responsible for preventing progress. Is there NO ONE in america with ANY sense at all?
The anti climate change people have taken the debate and renamed it anti global warming. They have taken the fact that some at least of the cause is due to human activity as a reason to fight people they label as communists. Cant you see how stupid that is?
The fantasists see themselves personally responsible for the christian faith when they dont even know what the christian faith is and certainly do not live it. Dont you know the history of the christian church? NO. It didnt start in fucking america. It didnt start with the loony born agains and baptists. They are Johnny come lately's who as with so many things think it is their right to americanise them.
Few people maintain that global warming is caused entirely by man's activety but you will turn over every stone to find one scientist or politician who says it is and then shout from the roof tops that only YOU have the answer. There IS climate change. You are right there has always been climate change (why does the UK associate snow with christmas?). Man's activities ARE spewing pollutants into the atmosphere and it IS likely that those pollutants affect the climate BUT NOT ENTIRELY. And if greater controls affect american industry and put you and your loony friends out of work, frankly I dont give a shit as you dont give a shit for anything outside your corrupt and polluting, mis-educated nation.
So Mr. I Love America just think about how you have wasted your time arguing the non arguable and how you have wasted your life believing in the impossible and the improbable.
so greenhouse gases have no effect on the world's temperature?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Lowaicue
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....just shut up! ....that is all.
Bloody hell. Who woke you up?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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I've been up a while.
Lowaicue
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Overjoyed to hear it. Now piss off.
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Everything is politics...IN AMERICA, where the population has never before been so divided. What is the matter with you all? The anti climate change people and the anti realism people seem to see themselves as rebels, personally responsible for preventing progress.
Politics is everywhere, you are naive if you think they are not. It is politicians trying to limit our rights. I don't see myself as a rebel, I see myself as looking at the facts on the ground, the flawed data and common sense. Something that seems to be in short supply for some of the Warmers
The anti climate change people have taken the debate and renamed it anti global warming. They have taken the fact that some at least of the cause is due to human activity as a reason to fight people they label as communists. Cant you see how stupid that is?
You are being dishonest here. It was your side pushing GLOBAL WARMING!!!!! for years. It was only after the data showed that Mother Erf hadn't warmed in years that your side decided to call it "CLIMATE CHAGE". If you are going to argue your side, don't lie about it.
Few people maintain that global warming is caused entirely by man's activety but you will turn over every stone to find one scientist or politician who says it is and then shout from the roof tops that only YOU have the answer.
You are being dishonest again. When you turn on the news it is all about man made global warming. You NEVER hear them talk about any other factors.
There IS climate change. You are right there has always been climate change (why does the UK associate snow with christmas?). Man's activities ARE spewing pollutants into the atmosphere and it IS likely that those pollutants affect the climate BUT NOT ENTIRELY.
So tell me Mr Climate Change Expert. What is the ideal global temperature? What exactly should we be shooting for? Do you know? I sure don't. As has been shown in the data, Mother Erf has been warmer during other periods of history and seemed to survive quite well. In fact Greenland which is now covered in ice was once lush green landscape, thus the name Greenland.
So what are you solutions to the other factors of CLIMATE CHANGE? Are you going to dampen the effects of the sun? Are you going to control water vapor?
And if greater controls affect american industry and put you and your loony friends out of work, frankly I dont give a shit as you dont give a shit for anything outside your corrupt and polluting, mis-educated nation.
Now we finally get to the crux of it. As I have maintained, this entire debate is not about your concern for the environment. You couldn't give two shits about the environment. This is about left wingers absolute disdain for free market capitalism and their utter love affair with collectivism. Fossil fuels are responsible for more prosperity and freedom than anything in history which is why leftists like you despise it. The modern environmental movement conveniently became the home of the commies after the USSR fell.
So Mr. I Love America just think about how you have wasted your time arguing the non arguable and how you have wasted your life believing in the impossible and the improbable.
It is your precious UN hiding data not me. It is me using the available science, using what I know about computer models and my own common sense telling me that your little worry about man made global warming is a crock of shit
This would go a heck of a lot easier if you weren't a fucking liar
The leading greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, and halocarbons. These gases are called ‘well mixed’ greenhouse gases because of their long lifetimes of a decade or more, which allows them to disperse evenly around the atmosphere. They are emitted from both man-made and natural sources. Ozone in the lower atmosphere, called tropospheric ozone or smog, also has greenhouse warming effects. In the upper atmosphere, ozone protects life on Earth from the sun’s harmful ultraviolet rays.
Some of the major investigations into the state of our warming planet come from a series of reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Assessment. These reports involved the work of hundreds of climate experts. The reports rely on measurements of greenhouse gases as they exist in the atmosphere, after they may have mixed with other gases.
Shindell finds there are advantages to measuring emissions of greenhouse gases and isolating their impacts, as opposed to analyzing them after they have mixed in the atmosphere. His study on the subject was just published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.
According to new calculations, methane's effect on warming the world's climate may be double what is currently thought. The new interpretations reveal methane emissions may account for a whopping third of the climate warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases between the 1750s and today. The IPCC report states that methane increases in our atmosphere account for only about one sixth of the total effect of well-mixed greenhouse gases on warming.
Part of the reason the new calculations give a larger effect is that they include the effect methane has on air pollution. A major component of air pollution is near-surface-level or tropospheric ozone, which is not directly emitted, but is instead formed chemically from methane other hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxides. The IPCC report includes the effects of tropospheric ozone increases on climate, but it is not attributed to particular sources. By categorizing the climate effects according to emissions, Shindell and colleagues found the total effects of methane emissions are substantially larger. In other words, the true source of some of the warming that is normally attributed to smog is really due to methane that leads to increased smog.
"If we control methane, which is viable, then we are likely to soften global warming more than one would have thought, so that's a very positive outcome," Shindell said.
Sources of methane include natural sources like wetlands, gas hydrates in the ocean floor, permafrost, termites, oceans, freshwater bodies, and non-wetland soils. Fossil fuels, cattle, landfills and rice paddies are the main human-related sources.
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/methane.html
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Let's go at this another way. What are you doing to mitigate your carbon footprint? Would you go as far as getting rid of your electronic devices as they contribute greatly to pollution requiring fossil fuels to produce and electricity to run. Would you move into a 100 sq/foot flat?
What have you done?
Me? I don't do anything. I use the resources I want, when I want. I have a huge carbon footprint and I love every second of it. It is clear that we aren't going to change each others mind on this issue, which is what makes life grand. We are all free to have our own opinions on these issues. I think from a compromise standpoint, we can come up with a solution. I will list those things I have that drive up my carbon footprint and you can try to offset it.
I have a Chevy Tahoe 5.3L
I have a GMC Sierra 1500 5.3L
I have a Ford F250 Powerstroke Diesel for hauling
I have four snow mobiles
I have six four wheelers for mountain trails
I burn wood, but I also have solar and hydro for electrical purposes for my off grid property.
Let's start there ok puddin pop?
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Wow, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change sounds like a real impartial and unbiased source! Doesn't sound like a group who might have even the slightest agenda when it comes to promoting the man-made global warming myth.
No shit? Really? This dude who works for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change actually found advantages to measuring gasses and isolating impacts and had his study published, which concludes man is responsible for global warming... WOW, I can hardly believe that he came to that conclusion! I would have expected someone from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to discover that man has little impact on the climate, but you say, no? I'm stunned, but this must surely mean he is right, because he's from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and they wouldn't tell us this if it weren't right! Right?
Way to completely miss the point Dix. The limk was about methane, a very powerful greenhouse gas.
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Yeah, methane... cow farts! I understand it's one of many greenhouse gases, and anyone who has smelled a cow fart knows it's very powerful indeed. This doesn't change the fact that 80% of "greenhouse gas" is water vapor. And it doesn't change the fact that the 'greenhouse effect' is essential for every life form on the planet, and without it, we'd all die.
If you calculated ALL of mankind's historic contributions to our environment in tons, every man-made contribution to 'greenhouse gas' and add to that, all environmentally dangerous toxins and pollutants. From the beginning of the Industrial Revolution until today, human contribution in tons is about 1/10 of what Mother Nature has produced on her own. This means, for every gallon of oil gushed from a broken pipeline, there are 10 gallons of oil, sulfur, acidic compounds, carcinogens, dioxides, monoxides, and other assorted environmentally harmful elements, released by Mother Nature. Most of the time, these releases by Mother Nature are massive in volume, and happen during volcanic eruptions and earthquakes. This has been happening for 4.5 billion years. Guess what? The planet cleans it up and retains balance, eventually.
Now, since we know this to be the case, we can say that if it comes down to Us vs. The Planet, The Planet will win. If we are contributing too much dangerous crap to the environment, Mother Nature may have to eliminate many of us, so that the planet recovers and returns to proper balance again, but eventually The Planet is going to win. We can't stop what Mother Nature is going to do, it's out of our hands to control. Our contribution is insignificant in comparison to what Mother Nature already does. We don't control volcanoes and earthquakes, we can't stop the massive discharges from those, or undo the ecological damage they create. Hell, we can't even predict when these discharges are going to happen!
Environment and Climate are tow completely different things. We can do things to clean up our environment, we can stop polluting our fresh water supplies, and destroying our wetlands. We can crack down on chemical disposal or discharge, and toxic pollution, things like mercury and pesticides, being dumped in rivers and streams by factories, etc. I'm all on board with those type initiatives, because this is something productive we can do, to clean up our act. But the 'global warming/climate change' bullshit, is nothing more than charlatan propaganda and myth, concocted by socialists who have become wealthy promoting it. And some very gullible people continue to lap it up!