Drone War Expansion Sparks Questions About Effectiveness, Oversight

Which is why the Obamanauts don't want anyone talking about all the dead children that we are mass-murdering .. and exactly why we should be talking about them.

Which is why she and lorax etc... are so determined to turn this into a Bush bashing thread or divert onto their supposed memories of peoples past positions with regards to bombing during the Iraq war etc...

Anything to divert away from criticisms of Saint Obama
 
Which is why she and lorax etc... are so determined to turn this into a Bush bashing thread or divert onto their supposed memories of peoples past positions with regards to bombing during the Iraq war etc...

Anything to divert away from criticisms of Saint Obama

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Odd, I thought you diverted this thread onto some fantasy about what you remember my positions being in the past and then telling me how you were going to be my conscious. Funny that I then turn to why you should not be anyone's conscious given your positions.

It's Your conscience dummy. Are you conscious?
 
Which is why she and lorax etc... are so determined to turn this into a Bush bashing thread or divert onto their supposed memories of peoples past positions with regards to bombing during the Iraq war etc...

Anything to divert away from criticisms of Saint Obama

Nah. Both myself and Onceler are anti-war and always have been. And we both know you for way too long to even pretend we are going to sit still for a lecture from one of the biggest war supporters of the Bush years on "morality".

We don't need the lecture. If you're looking for people to pretend that you are concerned about civilian deaths, you gotta go to someone who didn't know you five years ago...
 
When speaking about the war in Iraq being inevitable....well yes it was for the most part. Not because Iraq was a threat to us directly, but more so indirectly. I'm at school., so you'll pardon if I gloss over a bunch of shit in this post but here is the basic jist of everything;

1. As a nation, we naturally feel inclined to protect ourselves and our interests with any means necessary. Every nation does, it's the way the system works.
2. Because of the above, and the way our particular nation is set up, we require a stable Europe in order to function properly.
3. A stable Europe needs oil.
4. The two biggest growing countries, with the fastest growing populations are India and China. Both are also in the process of industrializing after recovering from Europe fucking them in the ass for decades/centuries.
5. Both these nations are also militarily aggressive, ala #1.
6. They are also armed with nuclear weapons.
7. Because of the scarcity of resources and their immediate proximity to them, conflict over said resources is very likely.
8. This means, that indirectly, the ME is a security threat to our interests under its current conditions. It's also why we are more concerned about THEM having WMDs than N.Korea.
9. All this being true, it has been in our interest to try and create liberal democratic nations similar to our own.
10. Previous efforts at propping up dictators doesn't work as well as we would like (as evidenced by a whole host of history in the regoin)
11. Therefore, a new strategy of making revolutionaries was/is tried. This leads us to Iraq.
12. Insurgency grows and spreads to neighboring nations, along with filtered down ideas of democracy, equality and blah blah blah.
13. Where we are now, the Arab Spring.
Now we get into the future and even more theory (as if the current points aren't theoretical enough).
14. New ME democratic nations eventually build themselves into a stable society, one that is also democratic and on better terms with us than the past 60ish years.
15. Said nations also are on better terms with each other, as years of internal struggle make external war even less attractive.
16. India and China are less inclined to fight over and attempt to control scarce resources, knowing that the ME is relatively united, has 1-2 generations of successful insurgency fighters as a significant part of the population, and as a democratic and friendly nation, can count on US military support.
17. Nuclear crisis averted, joy to the fucking world.

Now, as I said I'm glossing over A LOT in this post. Part of that is because I don't have time to go further into detail. Another part is because, well, there isn't as much evidence for this sort of thing, obviously. I'm getting all this from private conversations I had with some people in the upper echelons of the intelligence community in 2007-2008 and my own connect the dots based on past US policies.
 
Look out, now that the washwoman's been banned, the titmouse needs a new friend. Looks like he's set his cap for SF...

I can't wait for the scenes from tomorrow's episode to see if they kiss!

no one has been banned you daft bitch. go man your posse so you feel important.
 
Which is why she and lorax etc... are so determined to turn this into a Bush bashing thread or divert onto their supposed memories of peoples past positions with regards to bombing during the Iraq war etc...

Anything to divert away from criticisms of Saint Obama

Darla is no Obamanaut .. who is lorax?

Both Bush and Obama deserve all the criticisms that can be possibly heaped their way.

The Iraq War was TOTALLY unnecessary and a complete fraud.

.. and the same is true of the attack on Libya.
 
Well, yes we should have.

The years of sanctions on Iraq were responsible for an untold number of deaths, many of them children. They were unconscionable. But I will say it takes a certain kind of depravity to claim that because they were killing people we needed to institute shock and awe, a bombing campaign the likes of we can't even imagine, and that is a fact, which murdered an unknown number of people, and again, many of them children.

I don't support sanctions against countries, they are the modern day equivalent of laying siege to a castle...the peasants starve. But the answer is not to vaporize them all in airstrikes!
 
The years of sanctions on Iraq were responsible for an untold number of deaths, many of them children. They were unconscionable. But I will say it takes a certain kind of depravity to claim that because they were killing people we needed to institute shock and awe, a bombing campaign the likes of we can't even imagine, and that is a fact, which murdered an unknown number of people, and again, many of them children.

I don't support sanctions against countries, they are the modern day equivalent of laying siege to a castle...the peasants starve. But the answer is not to vaporize them all in airstrikes!

wrong. the sanctions were not responsible for any deaths. saddam was.

using your idiotic logic, if we incarcerate someone for a crime and he or she then kills someone inside prison, we are to blame.

dummy
 
Do you want to make a cash wager, or do you want to go check the washwoman's profile first?

I always know what I'm talking about titmouse.

yeah...you have your fat fingers all over this apparently.

did he hurt your wittle feelings and then you ran crying to grind...am i right or am i right you dumb fatty.
 
Nah. Both myself and Onceler are anti-war and always have been. And we both know you for way too long to even pretend we are going to sit still for a lecture from one of the biggest war supporters of the Bush years on "morality".

We don't need the lecture. If you're looking for people to pretend that you are concerned about civilian deaths, you gotta go to someone who didn't know you five years ago...

Yep. "This," as they say.

My fave bumpersticker ever is "I'm even against the next war." The only use of military I've supported in my lifetime is Afghanistan, which I have come to regret terribly.

Never stops the titmouses & rager-SF's of the world from countering with "what about Libya? What about Kosovo?" when they think they've got a good "gotcha".
 
Yep. "This," as they say.

My fave bumpersticker ever is "I'm even against the next war." The only use of military I've supported in my lifetime is Afghanistan, which I have come to regret terribly.

Never stops the titmouses & rager-SF's of the world from countering with "what about Libya? What about Kosovo?" when they think they've got a good "gotcha".

I know, and me too. I did support Afghanistan and realized later I had made a terrible mistake doing so. I didn't even support Gulf war 1.
 
Nah. Both myself and Onceler are anti-war and always have been. And we both know you for way too long to even pretend we are going to sit still for a lecture from one of the biggest war supporters of the Bush years on "morality".

So you are going to continue to make shit up and pretend it is reality? Oh gee, well in that case you must be right. No worries though, the board has known you long enough to know you are full of shit. You are no where near as vocal about the 'atrocities' being committed now that it is Obama in charge. You remain silent, diverting yet another thread with your bullshit in order to take the discussion off of the criticism.

We don't need the lecture. If you're looking for people to pretend that you are concerned about civilian deaths, you gotta go to someone who didn't know you five years ago...

Yes, you do need the lecture. Pretending I didn't care about civilian deaths is simply bullshit from you. Bullshit you use now to divert from Obama doing the same thing you supposedly abhorred back then. Now you are relatively silent.
 
yeah...you have your fat fingers all over this apparently.

did he hurt your wittle feelings and then you ran crying to grind...am i right or am i right you dumb fatty.

Moi? I had nothing to do with it. Just happened to hear through the grapevine is all. I feel terrible about it!
 
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