Same-sex couples begin marrying

Granule said:
At least the adoptive children will know they have normal parents. Unlike the filth that is found slithering around the glory holes of which you speak so affectionately.
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Funny how it's the gays who end up adopting the unwanted children of you breeders though, giving them a normal life of love, isn't it?

And once again, your obsession with glory holes and steamy gay sex amuses me. We know what you want, huh?
 
Granule said:
Good point. Same-sex intercourse is as natural as humans lying with beasts. It's certainly as productive and useful. ;)
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If you are claiming that marriage is only about sexual intercourse, then either you have never been married or you are lying.

And if the only reason you have sex is for procreation, you are missing out on a LOT of fun.
 
Granule said:
At least the adoptive children will know they have normal parents. Unlike the filth that is found slithering around the glory holes of which you speak so affectionately.
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Normal? LOL!! Look around at the statistics for men who molest their daughters or relatives, and the rampant domestic abuse in our world. You call that normal?
 
Some men want to live and dress as women
Some teachers fall in love with their students or have sex with them
Some men want to have sex with willing underage children or unwilling children
Some men want to have sex with each other and live together
Some women want to have sex with each other and live together
Some men want to have sex with sheep
Some women want to have sex with mules

Must we change the laws to allow all of the above and ignore the fact that these people have serious mental problems.....
and really, the fact that they maybe born with the mental problems is irrelevant....?
 
Sycamore said:
Yeah, they've been comparing homosexuality to cancer, bestiality, polygamy and pedophilia for nearly as long as this debate's been fought. This degrading and alienating rhetoric is one of the main thing that pushes me from the right. Immoral only begins to describe it.
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abnormalities in nature are where you find them......
 
NOVA said:
Some men want to live and dress as women
Some teachers fall in love with their students or have sex with them
Some men want to have sex with willing underage children or unwilling children
Some men want to have sex with each other and live together
Some women want to have sex with each other and live together
Some men want to have sex with sheep
Some women want to have sex with mules

Must we change the laws to allow all of the above and ignore the fact that these people have serious mental problems.....
and really, the fact that they maybe born with the mental problems is irrelevant....?
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Since marriage is about consenting adults, and no one (or thing) is forced to marry without consenting, your strawman argument is ridiculous. Thanks for playing, but try and stay with the actual topic.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
abnormalities in nature are where you find them......
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And some abnormalities are harmful and some are not. A person who molests children or animals is harmful. A consenting adult in a relationship with another consenting adult is not harmful.


I look forward to the day when gay relationships are seen as based on the same thing straight relationships are based on, and not assumed to be all about the sex.
 
pisskop said:
While I agree the rate of change isn't uniform up until a rapid change, I wouldn't say stagnation. Conformity or stability I like better ;).

And even Russia. Would you characterize that sort of change as natural and typical? I'd say that they were indeed falling behind the world, and knew it. They even saw Japan confronted with superior technology from an industrial nation, and those in power took drastic measures.

Measures that in no way even gave a second thought to preserving the old culture. Any culture not hard and fast in line with the government's views was squashed, and with it many ideas and views. They financed their rapid development with the blood of their own people for a hastened transition; the people of Russia still feel a scar from that wound today on a national and individual level. Whether they were right or wrong to do so seems to be as controversial as communism itself, or at least in circles I hear from.

Aside, I do agree a cyclitic change does appeal more to me, and I have been toying with the idea. I simply don't know where to start looking.
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did you happen to read future shock?

change happens whether we want it to or not (short of a totalitarian government that prevents it, although it can only really majorly slow it way down)
 
NOVA said:
Some men want to live and dress as women
Some teachers fall in love with their students or have sex with them
Some men want to have sex with willing underage children or unwilling children
Some men want to have sex with each other and live together
Some women want to have sex with each other and live together
Some men want to have sex with sheep
Some women want to have sex with mules

Must we change the laws to allow all of the above and ignore the fact that these people have serious mental problems.....
and really, the fact that they maybe born with the mental problems is irrelevant....?
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Some men want to live and dress as women / Not my cup of tea; but not illegal
Some teachers fall in love with their students or have sex with them / Students under the age of 18, can't legally give consent
Some men want to have sex with willing underage children or unwilling children / Underage children can't legally give consent
Some men want to have sex with each other and live together / Not against the law
Some women want to have sex with each other and live together / Not against the law
Some men want to have sex with sheep / Animals can't give consent
Some women want to have sex with mules / Animals can't give consent
 
WinterBorn said:
Not a strawman at all. The implication of the post I quoted was that the strawman.
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really....there's no strawman inherent in saying that since one believes a marriage between a man and a woman is normal that therefore one also believes that domestic abuse is normal?......
 
WinterBorn said:
And some abnormalities are harmful and some are not. A person who molests children or animals is harmful. A consenting adult in a relationship with another consenting adult is not harmful.


I look forward to the day when gay relationships are seen as based on the same thing straight relationships are based on, and not assumed to be all about the sex.
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you can argue all you want about harm, but I am countering the ridiculous "oh, it's only natural" argument......as to the rest, I really don't give a shit about how abnormal anyone wants to be......I only object to the attempt to use the law in an effort to make the rest of the world think the abnormal is normal........
 
PostmodernProphet said:
really....there's no strawman inherent in saying that since one believes a marriage between a man and a woman is normal that therefore one also believes that domestic abuse is normal?......
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Since the implication was that the straight couple, solely by virtue of their sexual orientation, are the nomal parents, my response was not a strawman.

I did not say domestic abuse was normal. I pointed out that there is plenty of abnormal with straights, so the mere fact that it is not "normal" is not reason enough to deny it.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
you can argue all you want about harm, but I am countering the ridiculous "oh, it's only natural" argument......as to the rest, I really don't give a shit about how abnormal anyone wants to be......I only object to the attempt to use the law in an effort to make the rest of the world think the abnormal is normal........
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I am not trying to change the laws to change what the world thinks is normal. I don't really give a rats ass what the world thinks is normal.

But I do believe that the gov't should not be in the marriage business at all. But if they are, then they should offer the same benefits to consenting adults, regardless of whether they are opposite sex or same sex couples.
 
WinterBorn said:
Since the implication was that the straight couple, solely by virtue of their sexual orientation, are the nomal parents......
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what do you mean "implication"?.....are you pretending there's even an alternative?........heterosexuality IS the norm.....the fact that there are other abnormalities within nature, like abusers (and yes, cancer) does not change the fact that homosexuality is one of the abnormalities.......
 
WinterBorn said:
I am not trying to change the laws to change what the world thinks is normal.
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but most on the left are when they want to redefine "marriage" to include two men or two women......and since that is what we are arguing about the point still stands....

. But if they are, then they should offer the same benefits to consenting adults, regardless of whether they are opposite sex or same sex couples.
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yet, when Massachusetts passed a law creating civil unions, which did offer those benefits, that wasn't good enough.......they went to court and got it thrown out because it wasn't "marriage"......that is the issue we are dealing with today, not whether they get benefits......
 
Do you know anything about when they changed the law to say married women are no longer owned by a husbands? Was that not a change in the marriage contract? Was that not a posative move?
 
Howey said:
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Funny how it's the gays who end up adopting the unwanted children of you breeders though, giving them a normal life of love, isn't it?
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"you breeders"? Do you know how stupid that sounds, Howard? I keep hearing you people bark about these "unwanted children", and you never get into the details. Tell me more about this process.

Howey said:
And once again, your obsession with glory holes and steamy gay sex amuses me. We know what you want, huh?
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We know what you talk about. Your mind is in the gutter, and you want to drag others into it with you.
 
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