do you think gwb made the right decision when he decided to invade iraq?

do you think gwb made the right decision when he decided to invade iraq?

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Thing1 said:
It's not too soon to tell. If the way that this war was decided on & sold ever becomes the gold standard for what we expect of our leaders, we're in serious trouble.
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If Clinton make the same decision in 1998 that Bush made in 2003, with exactly the same outcome as we have today....you'd by singing his praises to high heaven.....
You're a revisionist of history, ignoring and making little of what you don't like and magnifying what you think supports your iron clad conclusions.....
You're still hung up even a decade later with phrases and special words like they mean something special that confirm your theories....
You're logic is for the simple minded, that can't analyze events or political quotes by considering the time frame of the events or who the person speaking is and who
they are speaking to at that given moment in time.....
you take knowledge learned 2008 and apply it to decisions made in 2002 when that knowledge was unknown....and that is but one example

Bombing of a foreign country and killing their soldiers in 1993 is not war to you, but putting troops there to do the same killing is....that defies the most basic of logic
 
NOVA said:
If Clinton make the same decision in 1998 that Bush made in 2003, with exactly the same outcome as we have today....you'd by singing his praises to high heaven.....
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Ooops....sorry, bravo! I hated much of Clinton's foreign policy, and have been a vocal critic of every military action he authorized, from Kosovo to lobbing missiles at Iraq.

We're not all koolaid-guzzling hacks like you.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I know a lot of his detractors argue that but it's simply not true. As an administrator and COC W was terribly incompetent but he was/is a very capable politician. He just got in over his head. The notion that Cheney and Rummy were his pupper master is pretty easy to refute.
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The first part we can debate, but what is now in bold is not only accurate, but obvious to most .....
 
Thing1 said:
Ooops....sorry, bravo! I hated much of Clinton's foreign policy, and have been a vocal critic of every military action he authorized, from Kosovo to lobbing missiles at Iraq.

We're not all koolaid-guzzling hacks like you.
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That may be true, but its not the point....you'd still be praising Clinton if the facts were as I said and I'll believe that no matter what you
claim now.....we can't go back in time to prove it one way or another....
And I don't remember you EVER criticizing Clinton for anything that had mattered.....you were a left wing cheerleader then as you are now
.....but you can claim anything about the last 10 years with impunity now.....I can't disprove anything...
 
NOVA said:
That may be true, but its not the point....you'd still be praising Clinton if the facts were as I said and I'll believe that no matter what you
claim now.....we can't go back in time to prove it one way or another....
And I don't remember you EVER criticizing Clinton for anything that had mattered.....you were a left wing cheerleader then as you are now
.....but you can claim anything about the last 10 years with impunity now.....I can't disprove anything...
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I didn't even post on any board during the Clinton years. Nice memory.

Don't project your blind hackery onto others. I wouldn't be praising Clinton if he did the same thing.
 
christiefan915 said:
I know this is a long read but try to get through it.

"All of the quotes...are substantially correct reproductions of statements made by various Democratic leaders regarding Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's acquisition or possession of weapons of mass destruction. However, some of the quotes are truncated, and context is provided for none of them — several of these quotes were offered in the course of statements that clearly indicated the speaker was decidedly against unilateral military intervention in Iraq by the U.S. Moreover, several of the quotes offered antedate the four nights of airstrikes unleashed against Iraq by U.S. and British forces during Operation Desert Fox in December 1998, after which Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen and Gen. Henry H. Shelton (chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) announced the action had been successful in "degrad[ing] Saddam Hussein's ability to deliver chemical, biological and nuclear weapons."


http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp/*
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Interesting Christie....but your link won't work

What you hi-lighted I assume you think is the important stuff....?

several of these quotes were offered in the course of statements that clearly indicated the speaker was decidedly against unilateral military intervention in Iraq by the U.S.


Like what I underlined ?..... The trouble is, its not the point.....maybe certain speakers didn't agree with unilateral intervention....but like I said, thats
not the point.....The point IS , what they believed about Saddam and his possession of WMD at the time.....his threat .....they obviously believed he was a threat and clear danger to the US and the entire region in general.....THAT is the point and its the same thing that was STILL believed well into the new century.

I read the post....and I would be lying if I didn't say its obvious to me it has a certain .....lets say, a certain tone....a certain slant.....a certain ....spin....

I don't know the author of the article nor see any date line....I'm not a disciple of snopes any more than I'm a disciple of Bill O'Reilly.....if there is anything
I've come to believe in my old age is that everyone has an agenda.....everyone, and snopes is no exception.
 
Dungheap said:
That's asinine. I really wouldn't expect such childishness from you. Honestly surprised here.
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I remember being shocked by a few people over this type of theory. the fact that somebody would be willing to spend 20 years behind bars despite them not committing a crime, just to ensure a real criminal would be imprisoned is insanity personified, IMO.
 
Thing1 said:
I knew the Bush hack & his #1 apologist would chime in, blaming everyone but him.
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Well, I'm not gonna blame Bush what Clinton said in 1996

I'm not gonna blame Bush what albright said....

I'm not gonna blame Bush what Al Gore said

I'm not gonna blame Bush what Hillary said

I'm not gonna blame Bush what the intell form Germany said

Or the UK or France or our own 16 intell agencys.....

I'm not gonna blame Bush for the dozens and dozens of UN resolutions against Saddam

I'm not gonna blame Bush for the fact that those UN resolutions were passed by unanimous votes.

Oh wait....you want me to say Bush made the tactical decision to INVADE Iraq ?......

I don't even know if he made the tactical decision, but he did certainly give his permission to use that tactic in the war against Iraq .....
 
NOVA said:
Interesting Christie....but your link won't work

What you hi-lighted I assume you think is the important stuff....?

several of these quotes were offered in the course of statements that clearly indicated the speaker was decidedly against unilateral military intervention in Iraq by the U.S.

Like what I underlined ?..... The trouble is, its not the point.....maybe certain speakers didn't agree with unilateral intervention....but like I said, thats
not the point.....The point IS , what they believed about Saddam and his possession of WMD at the time.....his threat .....they obviously believed he was a threat and clear danger to the US and the entire region in general.....THAT is the point and its the same thing that was STILL believed well into the new century.

I read the post....and I would be lying if I didn't say its obvious to me it has a certain .....lets say, a certain tone....a certain slant.....a certain ....spin....

I don't know the author of the article nor see any date line....I'm not a disciple of snopes any more than I'm a disciple of Bill O'Reilly.....if there is anything
I've come to believe in my old age is that everyone has an agenda.....everyone, and snopes is no exception.
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Here's the link. I had too many characters in it the first time.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

I put that sentence in red because it refers to your original list of quotes. When you take some of those quotes in full context, the speaker is not supporting any action to invade Iraq or remove Hussein.
 
Kel-Tec Sub 2000 said:
Where is the "too soon to tell" Option? Bush ushered in the Arab Spring, which is as glorious an accomplishment as any (not single-handedly mind you).
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That's complete and total horse shit. Bush did not usher in the Arab Spring. I mean that notion it completely and utterly divorced from the truth.
 
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