ONE with hard data. Discussing it by making vague references is not what I am looking for.
Poll: Majority of US for legal pot
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ONE with hard data. Discussing it by making vague references is not what I am looking for.
Midway into his second term, Reagan declared more militant policies in the War on Drugs. He said that "drugs were menacing our society" and promised to fight for drug-free schools and workplaces, expanded drug treatment, stronger law enforcement and drug interdiction efforts, and greater public awareness.[213][214]
In 1986, Reagan signed a drug enforcement bill that budgeted $1.7 billion to fund the War on Drugs and specified a mandatory minimum penalty for drug offenses.[215] The bill was criticized for promoting significant racial disparities in the prison population[215] and critics also charged that the policies did little to reduce the availability of drugs on the street, while resulting in a great financial burden for America.[216] Defenders of the effort point to success in reducing rates of adolescent drug use.[217][218] First Lady Nancy Reagan made the War on Drugs her main priority by founding the "Just Say No" drug awareness campaign, which aimed to discourage children and teenagers from engaging in recreational drug use by offering various ways of saying "no". Nancy Reagan traveled to 65 cities in 33 states, raising awareness about the dangers of drugs including alcohol.[219]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan#War_on_Drugs
In 1986, Reagan signed a drug enforcement bill that budgeted $1.7 billion to fund the War on Drugs and specified a mandatory minimum penalty for drug offenses.[215] The bill was criticized for promoting significant racial disparities in the prison population[215] and critics also charged that the policies did little to reduce the availability of drugs on the street, while resulting in a great financial burden for America.[216] Defenders of the effort point to success in reducing rates of adolescent drug use.[217][218] First Lady Nancy Reagan made the War on Drugs her main priority by founding the "Just Say No" drug awareness campaign, which aimed to discourage children and teenagers from engaging in recreational drug use by offering various ways of saying "no". Nancy Reagan traveled to 65 cities in 33 states, raising awareness about the dangers of drugs including alcohol.[219]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan#War_on_Drugs
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The Almighty
Your own data set shows it was CLINTON that ramped up the war dramatically. That arrests rose dramatically under Clinton. Bush and Obama kept them high. Obama higher than Bush. OBAMA has the two highest arrest years. Not Bush. OBAMA.
Remember, it was Obama that stated in 2008 that he would not go after Medical MJ facilities, especially in states that legalized them. Yet it is OBAMA admin that has done just the opposite. I know you don't want to pay attention to right wing sites like Huffington Post and Rolling Stone, but the truth on the matter is in the public eye, regardless of how much you wish to dismiss it.
Thats Supercandy's game. He provides 5 or 6 links that refer to the topic he is argueing, but they dont actually support his point. He's hoping you will be impressed by how many links he provided and be too lazy to actually read them. HE knows they dont support his point.
Nope. I want hard data. I have said that quite clearly. Do you have some sort of dysfunction that compels you to use strawman arguments?
Republicans are FAR worse on this issue. That does not mean Obama is good on it.
It continued to increase under Bush and has declined from the Bush years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_incarceration_timeline-clean.svg
I wish I knew how to post a photo or a graphic here, but look at this link...
Tell me, what year did the dramatic increase in prison population begin? Who had just been elected president?
I wish I knew how to post a photo or a graphic here, but look at this link...
Tell me, what year did the dramatic increase in prison population begin? Who had just been elected president?
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The Almighty
Thanks for proving you have no clue what you are talking about... yet again.
We are not talking about efforts to reduce drug usage. We are talking about arrests, drug busts etc...
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The Almighty
LOL... and OBAMA had the two worst years EVER. Just because it reduced for one year from the TWO WORST YEARS ever... you think that shows he is better? LMAO.
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The Almighty
Do you know what a straw man is?
I have not misstated your position.
You refuse to even read the articles that discuss it. Why would I bother with providing anything else?
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
How so? I'm for legalization yet I don't smoke it. For the record I'm for legalized suicide as well, so long as the dumbfuck is considerate enough to dig his grave first, lay down in it and do the deed there. As long as dumbfucks don't affect me or cause societal costs to increase I simply don't care what they do.
During the 31/2 years of the Obama administration, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), an arm of the Department of Justice (DOJ), conducted more raids on state-licensed dispensaries than the Bush administration did in eight years. The DEA hit more than 200 dispensaries, confiscated the marijuana and left a trail of wreckage in their wake. A dozen proprietors are in prison and nearly 100 more are awaiting prosecution;
This is still pretty vague. More than 200, a dozen proprietors and nearly 100 awaiting prosecution? Where do these numbers come from and why does it sound like they are not keeping an exact tally? What were the numbers under Bush?
I am sorry, but I am unimpressed.
But let's assume it is accurate. There are obviously more dispensaries as more states have legalized medical marijuana. Also, Obama seemed to indicate more tolerance which lead to increases. So there are more targets to hit. I am not arguing that Obama is better, but against the idea that Bush was. He was not. Bush never showed any support for medical marijuana, the commerce clause or states rights to determine their own course on the issue. Republicans have been the major roadblock to reform at the state and local level. Republicans are, without a doubt, worse on this issue.
Oh, I was talking about the "War on Drugs".
SmarterthanYou
rebel
do you know how many articles I've posted on this issue alone? this issue has been raised, hashed, discussed, and even dismissed by a few so many times and all of them with very traceable facts and numbers. Are you really trying to act like this is the first time you've seen or heard of this?
Yes, you erected a strawman by arguing that my criticism of your sources was that they were not favorable to Obama. I stated quite clearly what my problem is. They are vague and don't seem to be based on any hard data. They appear to be guesstimates, at best.
I read several of the articles and have read them before when engaging in this same discussion with you and others. I am not going to continue searching for the data that you think supports your point.
Did she or did she not engage in sex with a partner not wearing a condom, I am not giving the guy a pass both should be responsible.
Here is something a little more recent, are the graphics ok for ya, I know that makes a huge difference concerning what is said. It makes people lazy ya friggin idiot, and before long they become less productive at their job, because man I just can't cope with the stress at work, and then accident rates go up, I could go on but why bother, go smoke your bong in moms basement.
I have heard you reference this as some sort of fact and challenged it before. I have not seen one source that has contained any hard data.
Bush sucked on this issue. He was not better on this issue than Obama or Clinton in any significant way. Romney sucked too and indicated that he would fight it tooth and nail. Obama's record on the issue was not sufficient that it should have gained him any votes or support. He did not get mine.
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? Where is it? Reading garbage off some page that looks like a five year old designed it 15 years ago makes you work harder?