8th grader suspended and arrested for wearing an NRA t-shirt??

Socrtease said:
Actually the asshole dad as some pretty good backing. The ACLU, that bastion of right wing thought, is taking up this cause.
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Funny...just the other day one of the wing nuts on here called it the "anti Caucasian liberty union" or some such shit....they just can't keep their hate straight.
 
Chapel The Evergreen said:
Exactly, because you are an obedient fascist. Do not question authority, it is right and you are always wrong. I'm starting to see why you support the same structure in Islam (which is for another thread).
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You're nuts. It's a good thing you don't want to have children. Your reactions and the others are way, way out of proportion to what occurred.

How many times have I read posts here from cons saying liberals are ruining the country because their kids are undisciplined, disrespectful and get away with murder. But let that sassy kid get asked to flip his t-shirt from the Holy of Holies NRA and all bets are off. Where does it end with you guys? Do you realize how hysterical you sound?
 
Chapel The Evergreen said:
Except this is about 1A rights, which are being taken away.
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They have schoolboard meetings, testimony is given and rules are made by vote. Rights are limited and if any parent wants to contest these rules, there is a process. If the child had verbally protested and called his father to inform him, the father could have fought the ruling.

How orderly do you think a school would be if every child who disagreed with policy argued and defied their teachers?
 
I think the little punk should have been thrashed by the teacher. That's what would have happened to me in the 8th grade if I got belligerent with a teacher.

Then I would have gotten thrashed again when I got home.

Too many pussies with real, REAL big fucking mouths and tiny little brains raising assholes for the next generation.

And yes....Liberals are part of the problem there...corporal punishment was the dumbest thing ever to get rid of in our school system.
 
Socrtease said:
Yeah god damn them idjit rednecks thinking that they are entitled to the same free speech as everyone else.I don't remember which of you ill informed people said kids have no first amendment rights in school, but I would suggest you read Tinker v. Des Moines and it's progeny so you can learn yerself somethin' bout that there first amendment.
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I just read Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier, 484 U.S. 260 (1988) and part of the decision states "The U.S. Supreme Court found that public school students do not automatically have the same First Amendment rights of adults outside the school..."

Then I read Bethel School District No. 403 v. Frazier, 478 US 675 (1986) and the court said "The First Amendment did not prevent the school district from suspending the student because the school district acted within its authority in punishing the student for his offensive speech."

Tinker was on the list, too. So apparently first amendment rights aren't an absolute in the school setting.
 
Rana said:
They have schoolboard meetings, testimony is given and rules are made by vote. Rights are limited and if any parent wants to contest these rules, there is a process. If the child had verbally protested and called his father to inform him, the father could have fought the ruling.

How orderly do you think a school would be if every child who disagreed with policy argued and defied their teachers?
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I know you have comprehension problems; but it didn't violate a shool policy.
 
christiefan915 said:
You're nuts. It's a good thing you don't want to have children. Your reactions and the others are way, way out of proportion to what occurred.

How many times have I read posts here from cons saying liberals are ruining the country because their kids are undisciplined, disrespectful and get away with murder. But let that sassy kid get asked to flip his t-shirt from the Holy of Holies NRA and all bets are off. Where does it end with you guys? Do you realize how hysterical you sound?
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I guess if everyone keeps saying he was "sassy" it will be true.
 
Steelplate said:
I think the little punk should have been thrashed by the teacher. That's what would have happened to me in the 8th grade if I got belligerent with a teacher.

Then I would have gotten thrashed again when I got home.

Too many pussies with real, REAL big fucking mouths and tiny little brains raising assholes for the next generation.

And yes....Liberals are part of the problem there...corporal punishment was the dumbest thing ever to get rid of in our school system.
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You know it. If I got punished in school I hoped to heaven the nuns wouldn't send me home with a note for my parents to sign.
 
christiefan915 said:
You know how conservatives are always criticizing schools for spreading liberal propaganda, yet when one sets a requirement they don't like it's a freak out. "My rights, my rights." Sheesh, get a grip.
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Except they didn't set any requirement that dealt with thi st-shirt. It was just a few whining teachers and administrators who thought they could run roughshod over this kid.
 
Rana said:
They have schoolboard meetings, testimony is given and rules are made by vote. Rights are limited and if any parent wants to contest these rules, there is a process. If the child had verbally protested and called his father to inform him, the father could have fought the ruling.

How orderly do you think a school would be if every child who disagreed with policy argued and defied their teachers?
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Those meetings are to decided what the rules are GOING to be kept, added, or removed.
 
christiefan915 said:
He should do what I did with my kids. I told them the school is always right. Then if they persisted, I investigated the complaint and repeated that the school is always right.

What happens if this kid gets a job and decides he's entitled to wear whatever he wants despite the corporate clothing policy? Is he going to take Bank of America to court because they told him to wear a suit?

Oh, Sty... one of my sons went to an NRA gun training camp and got an NRA t-shirt, which he wore to middle school with no repercussions. But if the school had told him he wasn't allowed to wear it anymore, he would have complied.
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You have missed the entire point. There was no restriction that would have meant the NRA shirt should not have been worn.

To use your example, if this kid gets a job at Bank fo America, and they tell him to wear a suit, but then they fire him because he wore a blue suit.
 
Steelplate said:
I think the little punk should have been thrashed by the teacher. That's what would have happened to me in the 8th grade if I got belligerent with a teacher.

Then I would have gotten thrashed again when I got home.

Too many pussies with real, REAL big fucking mouths and tiny little brains raising assholes for the next generation.

And yes....Liberals are part of the problem there...corporal punishment was the dumbest thing ever to get rid of in our school system.
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#1 problem in today's education system is bad parenting.
 
christiefan915 said:
Duh. School board meetings, PTA meetings, one-on-one teacher conferences.
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But this was one t-shirt. If the policy had evolved, let people know. But when they suspended this student there was nop policy against this shirt.

Unless they have the dress code written on a chalk board so they can change it as their political beliefs evolve.
 
WinterBorn said:
Except they didn't set any requirement that dealt with thi st-shirt. It was just a few whining teachers and administrators who thought they could run roughshod over this kid.
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And what about the school code of conduct that lays out the rules and regulations? I pulled up the one from my district. Here are some of criteria.

Attack -
Abuse in any form (written, verbal or physical) will be considered under the category of “attack”. Any abusive behavior directed toward a staff member, whether physical or verbal will result in external suspension of one to ten days depending on severity barring extenuating circumstances. In severe cases, authorities may be notified and expulsion proceedings instituted.

Fighting -
This offense is viewed in terms of particular criteria, i.e., the degree of severity involved, specific responsibility including provocation, hazard to others and prior warnings.
Consequences will vary from detentions to internal and external suspension with possible notification of police and fines. Students may be required to attend conflict resolution sessions.
Where possible, responsibility will be assigned, but engaging in physical altercation is generally excused only in instances of clear self-defense with reasonable force being used.
For incidents of minor verbal confrontation or pushing and shoving, students may be assigned to a community or building service partnership.
Chronic and/or severe offenders are subject to five to ten days of external suspension with notification of superintende

Inappropriate Language -
Inappropriate language is treated as defiance of school regulations. When there is verbal abuse toward a staff member, the student is subject to suspension.

Weapons - Possession/Use of a Weapon*, Look-Alike Weapons Images or Representations
All offenses --parent contact/suspension/expulsion/notification of police.
 
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