8th grader suspended and arrested for wearing an NRA t-shirt??

WinterBorn said:
http://news.yahoo.com/8th-grader-arrested-suspended-nra-protect-t-shirt-174825948.html


WTF? Is this what we have come to?
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The shirt should be allowed.

However, you idiots belive that this kid was arrested for wearing the shirt? People are either dumb, or love to jump to a belife so they can justify getting riled up.

The kid was arrested for obstruction. He was arrested for his reaction to the unjust rule, which he should fight the proper way.

I dont condone him having been arrested or the rule against the shirt... I simply hate when people belive the media hype over clear reality.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That's just simply not true anymore. In this respect "Ducks Unlimited" has walked off and left the NRA in the dust. The presence that the NRA used to have in gun safety classes and habitat conservation if a token fraction of what it was when I was in high school in the 70's. They've siphoned off a vastly greater percentage of their memberships money for right wing political activism and it's a primary reason why I let my membership expire back in the mid 80's.

Also, I wouldn't say that hunters do more to develop habitat is propaganda.....but it is an exageration.....though hunters do contribute significantly and should be applauded for their efforts.
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They use to be less political than they are now.
 
christiefan915 said:
I just read Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier, 484 U.S. 260 (1988) and part of the decision states "The U.S. Supreme Court found that public school students do not automatically have the same First Amendment rights of adults outside the school..."

Then I read Bethel School District No. 403 v. Frazier, 478 US 675 (1986) and the court said "The First Amendment did not prevent the school district from suspending the student because the school district acted within its authority in punishing the student for his offensive speech."

Tinker was on the list, too. So apparently first amendment rights aren't an absolute in the school setting.
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Funny you didn't discuss WHAT types of speech the court said it was okay to curtail. They put some limits on it.
 
christiefan915 said:
I think the dad has too much time on his hands.

The student's father, Allen Lardieri, told KOWK that the shirt didn't violate this policy, nor did his son become aggressive when confronted about it.
"I will go to the ends of the earth, I will call people, I will write letters, I will do everything in the legal realm to make sure this does not happen again," Lardieri said.
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I think the teacher should actually be teaching the kids about the 2nd Amendment rather than wasting time bitching about a kid's T-shirt.
 
christiefan915 said:
He should do what I did with my kids. I told them the school is always right. Then if they persisted, I investigated the complaint and repeated that the school is always right.
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Great message to teach a kid... never question authority... they are always right.

What happens if this kid gets a job and decides he's entitled to wear whatever he wants despite the corporate clothing policy? Is he going to take Bank of America to court because they told him to wear a suit?
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If he had violated the schools policy, you might have a point. But he didn't. Yet he got suspended anyway because some douche bag teacher doesn't like the 2nd Amendment.

Oh, Sty... one of my sons went to an NRA gun training camp and got an NRA t-shirt, which he wore to middle school with no repercussions. But if the school had told him he wasn't allowed to wear it anymore, he would have complied.
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Bow down to your government masters son... great lesson to teach him.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh good lord not another gun thread.

I've read the report. The kid was told to get rid of the shirt. His response was completely inappropriate and he created a disturbance for which he was justifiably arrested, taken to the local slam and turned over to his parents 30 minutes later. Try reporting this honestly. He was not arrested for wearing a pro NRA shirt.

Which brings up another point. What the fuck ever happened to the NRA. I was a member when I was in high school but that was well before the right wing loonies took it over and made it an extreme right wing political organ. The NRA used to be about teaching gun safety, the traditions of hunting and outdoorsman ship and most important, they were a great, great leader in habitat conservation. Hell I took my gun safety class from an NRA sponsored class before I got my first hunting license at 15.

Then around the early 80's they tossed that all away to become a bunch of paranoid right wing 2nd ammendment absolutist. It's just a shame what has happened to a once great organization.
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The teacher had NO right to tell him to do so. The teacher was in the wrong. So if you wish to 'report it honestly'... then do so.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That's where the teacher fucked up by addressing the kid cause he was offended by his NRA shirt. He should have just pulled the old "This shirt violates the dress code." and sent his ass home. That happened to me twice when I was in high school and the courts have given leeway to schools to enforce dress codes. So the teacher handled it poorly. The students response though was inappropriate and it was his response that got him in hot water, not the stupid shirt.
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Unfortunately for you, the shirt did not violate the dress code.
 
Bethel deals with obscenity during a students speech to the entire school. Obscenity is not protected. Duh. Hazelwood deals with censorship of student run newspapers funded totally by the school. In that case the students ran a story on pregnancy and one on divorce involving students at the school. The teacher was worried that even though names had been changed, some of the pregnant students could still be identified from the text and that the paper had insured those students privacy. The article on divorce quoted one child by name who made some comments about her parents and the principal believed that the parents should have been advised of the stories and had input. Because there was almost no time to make the corrections to the stories the principal had them removed. This was also considered a reasonable use of censoring powers by a school official. The court in Hazelwood however started their opinion by stating Students in the public schools do not "shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate." They cannot be punished merely for expressing their personal views on the school premises -- whether "in the cafeteria, or on the playing field, or on the campus during the authorized hours," -- unless school authorities have reason to believe that such expression will "substantially interfere with the work of the school or impinge upon the rights of other students."

The only interference in this case was the teacher freaking out and yelling at the student because he and ONLY he didn't like the shirt.
 
Jarod said:
The shirt should be allowed.

However, you idiots belive that this kid was arrested for wearing the shirt? People are either dumb, or love to jump to a belife so they can justify getting riled up.

The kid was arrested for obstruction. He was arrested for his reaction to the unjust rule, which he should fight the proper way.

I dont condone him having been arrested or the rule against the shirt... I simply hate when people belive the media hype over clear reality.
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Exactly!
 
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