8th grader suspended and arrested for wearing an NRA t-shirt??

christiefan915 said:
Wish we had the audio evidence of the school calling the cops and asking them to come arrest a kid because they don't like his t-shirt.
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Again, they called because he was arguing. However I'd like to see evidence that he wasn't arguing about that shirt...

The shirt was the root cause, even if you pretend to be incapable of understanding what a root cause is. About this time you would normally be telling somebody making that kind of stupid argument that they were "thick"... I don't believe you are incapable of understanding, only that you are incapable of admitting you understand, when it goes against your political view, regardless of what may be right.
 
Damocles said:
Yet you thought that I would somehow punish your kid for what you assumed was the "smart" shirt? Please. You are getting deeper as you go. You twist and turn to support this type of authoritarian. I guarantee if it were a pro-abortion shirt you'd have flipped and demanded the teacher be fired.
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You'd be wrong. In my universe fights over t-shirts are too small to lose sleep over.
 
christiefan915 said:
He's as obtuse as the rest. There no sentence anywhere that he was arrested for wearing a t-shirt and I'd like to see a police report saying he was. Amazing the way these people can spin the facts to fit their mental framework.
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The police would not arrest him for wearing a t-shirt, that is just idiotic to think so.
 
christiefan915 said:
You'd be wrong. In my universe fights over t-shirts are too small to lose sleep over.
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In my universe rights are never a "small" thing to be dismissed as a "joke"... And I don't believe I'd be "wrong", I just believe that you can't admit when something is the right thing to do when it supports somebody who professed a different opinion than yours.
 
Rana said:
The police would not arrest him for wearing a t-shirt, that is just idiotic to think so.
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Wow. Seriously. They arrested him for arguing and "obstructing the education process" by arguing. Can you admit that he would not have been arguing if this teacher hadn't overstepped their bounds and ordered him to remove a perfectly legal shirt (according to the rules of the school and what the school stated about the event)?

The shirt was the cause, even if you and Christie want to pretend to be "thick" about it.
 
Damocles said:
Yet you thought that I would somehow punish your kid for what you assumed I thought was the "smart" shirt? Please. You are getting deeper as you go. You twist and turn to support this type of authoritarian. I guarantee if it were a pro-abortion shirt you'd have flipped and demanded the teacher be fired for pushing "religious views"...

While I wouldn't be demanding firing, I'd be with you to defend the kid with the pro-abortion shirt.
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You're really reaching here. You're assuming more than I said, because I didn't say one word about punishment. I was referring to your knee-jerk comment that the Brady wearing kid is an idiot but the NRA wearing kid is not.
 
Damocles said:
Again, they called because he was arguing. However I'd like to see evidence that he wasn't arguing about that shirt...

The shirt was the root cause, even if you pretend to be incapable of understanding what a root cause is. About this time you would normally be telling somebody making that kind of stupid argument that they were "thick"... I don't believe you are incapable of understanding, only that you are incapable of admitting you understand, when it goes against your political view, regardless of what may be right.
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http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/Student-Arrested-203875101.html?mobile=yes&device=ipad
 
christiefan915 said:
You're really reaching here. You're assuming more than I said, because I didn't say one word about punishment. I was referring to your knee-jerk comment that the Brady wearing kid is an idiot but the NRA wearing kid is not.
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Talk about "reading something in"... Let's be very clear, I support the First Amendment of either kid even if I disagree, and I would still as a teacher, as well as a principal. Your kid would be well-served in this instance had I been there, he would have had an advocate for him in authority.

You, however have made it clear that rights can and should be thrown away so long as your kid blindly follows authority. I disagree with you vehemently on this issue, and no it isn't "hyperbole". I would never want somebody like that to be a teacher for my child.
 
Damocles said:
In my universe rights are never a "small" thing to be dismissed as a "joke"... And I don't believe I'd be "wrong", I just believe that you can't admit when something is the right thing to do when it supports somebody who professed a different opinion than yours.
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Wrong. I've taken on the school and got the result I wanted by peaceful resolution. I didn't have to bring a gun to a snowball fight.
 
Damocles said:
Wow. Seriously. They arrested him for arguing and "obstructing the education process" by arguing. Can you admit that he would not have been arguing if this teacher hadn't overstepped their bounds and ordered him to remove a perfectly legal shirt (according to the rules of the school and what the school stated about the event)?

The shirt was the cause, even if you and Christie want to pretend to be "thick" about it.
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no, I think they have a valid point, Damo....he wasn't arrested because he wore the tee shirt......he was arrested because the teacher objected to the tee shirt......

christiefan915 said:
Wrong. I've taken on the school and got the result I wanted by peaceful resolution. I didn't have to bring a gun to a snowball fight.
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see?....the teacher started a snowball fight....
 
christiefan915 said:
Wrong. I've taken on the school and got the result I wanted by peaceful resolution. I didn't have to bring a gun to a snowball fight.
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I absolutely don't believe you, your first reaction was "good, the kid deserved it because I tell my kid to always follow authority in such circumstances!"

I quoted that and began my participation this thread with that. I vehemently disagree. I'd hope my kid didn't get loud and have the cops called, but I'd be more proud of them getting in "trouble" for what was right than meekly following authority when they knew it was wrong.
 
Damocles said:
From the story:



Show me the proof that the cops would ever have been called had he been meek and asked how high when the teacher ordered him to jump.

It's the fruit of a poisoned tree, Rana. The teacher demanded he remove a shirt that he was within his rights to wear, the school admits it. The teacher caused the disturbance for which he was arrested. IMO, it is the teacher who should be arrested for "disturbing the education process".
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The article I provided says the police were called because of the chaos in the cafeteria, not to arrest the child. Usually, after police are called, they assemble the parties involved to investigate. It was during the course of the investigation that Marum ran into trouble with the police. My speculation is he was trying to get the schools version and the kid kept talking, the police ask him to sit down and he continued to talk, so he was arrested.

The kid will get his hearing at the school board and in court.
 
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Damocles said:
Which, again, changes nothing at all about what I stated. The link at the beginning tells you what he was arrested for, what he was doing, and makes it clear that the teacher's overreaction to the shirt was the reason that the event even happened. Well that and the kid standing up for what he believed to be right.
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Yes, it does, you are unwilling, as always to admit you are in error.
 
Damocles said:
I absolutely don't believe you, your first reaction was "good, the kid deserved it because I tell my kid to always follow authority in such circumstances!"

I quoted that and began my participation this thread with that. I vehemently disagree. I'd hope my kid didn't get loud and have the cops called, but I'd be more proud of them getting in "trouble" for what was right than meekly following authority when they knew it was wrong.
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Then don't believe me. I'm certainly not going to post identifying info here. And it's really clear you didn't read any of my comments about the shirt, because if you had, you'd have known that I never criticized it. I criticized the father for making the whole thing a media event and I criticized the kid for the way he handled conflict.
 
Rana said:
The article I provided says the police were called because of the chaos in the cafeteria, not to arrest the child. Usually, after police are called, they assemble the parties involved to investigate. It was during the course of the investigation that Marum ran into trouble with the police. My speculation is he was trying to get the schools version and the kid kept talking, the police ask him to sit down and he continued to talk, so he was arrested.

The kid will get his hearing at the school board and in court.
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Why do we "get it" while they don't? Maybe our brains are wired differently. (For "differently" read "better.)
 
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