Newtown - the case for seeing the photos

Bfgrn said:
What a fucking joke. Right wing turds like you, Rune, Freak, and Dumber than Shit don't believe in the Constitution, you don't believe in the wisdom of our founding fathers, you don't believe in the form of government they created or any mechanisms they put in place. And you don't believe in America or the wisdom of it's people.

You believe America is no different than the monarchy of King George. That the Constitution and mechanisms can be somehow usurped by fiat. That this Constitution can totally disarm the citizenry. That the balance of power can be totally undermined by a single man.

NO ONE is EVER going to confiscate all weapons. It will never happen, and it can never happen. You would know that if you had any belief in America.
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is that you, Orwell?
 
Bfgrn said:
“If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands.”
Douglas Adams

On this topic...ABSOLUTELY. Care to try to prove me wrong???
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You're an ass. Rune is not a right winger. I actually agree with your postion more than his on this topic, but your arguments have been stupid and at times dishonest. I could make a much better argument than you have. I am not because I really don't want to get deeply involved in this particular thread and end up arguing with people I'd rather discuss it with elsewhere. But you know how I love the whiff of gunpowder and blood about a man - maybe I am not thinking straight again!
 
Darla said:
You're an ass. Rune is not a right winger. I actually agree with your postion more than his on this topic, but your arguments have been stupid and at times dishonest. I could make a much better argument than you have. I am not because I really don't want to get deeply involved in this particular thread and end up arguing with people I'd rather discuss it with elsewhere. But you know how I love the whiff of gunpowder and blood about a man - maybe I am not thinking straight again!
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Well Darla, you ARE probably controlled by the bulge in a guy's pants, you know. ;)
 
Bfgrn said:
What a fucking joke. Right wing turds like you, Rune, Freak, and Dumber than Shit don't believe in the Constitution, you don't believe in the wisdom of our founding fathers,.
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This is my last post to you. Can you see signatures?
Was George Washington a Founder?
Do you think I believe his quote I have posted?
You are too stupid to be a liberal, you are just a parrot.
 
Darla said:
You're an ass. Rune is not a right winger. I actually agree with your postion more than his on this topic, but your arguments have been stupid and at times dishonest. I could make a much better argument than you have. I am not because I really don't want to get deeply involved in this particular thread and end up arguing with people I'd rather discuss it with elsewhere. But you know how I love the whiff of gunpowder and blood about a man - maybe I am not thinking straight again!
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Hey Darla, I wasn't the one who gushed obsessively in every post all about the guys temperature. My 'bulge' comment was crude, I apologize. But then you did end up verifying my comment.

Rune is definitely as far right as it gets on this topic. Slippery slope government tyranny paranoia? Come on Darla, does it get ANY farther right than that? If you are here to 'make friends' I feel sorry for you.
 
Bfgrn said:
Hey Darla, I wasn't the one who gushed obsessively in every post all about the guys temperature. My 'bulge' comment was crude, I apologize. But then you did end up verifying my comment.

Rune is definitely as far right as it gets on this topic. Slippery slope government tyranny paranoia? Come on Darla, does it get ANY farther right than that? If you are here to 'make friends' I feel sorry for you.
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is it time for your second meltdown?
 
Rune said:
This is my last post to you. Can you see signatures?
Was George Washington a Founder?
Do you think I believe his quote I have posted?
You are too stupid to be a liberal, you are just a parrot.
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Yea, I see your signature. A liberal would research a quote before using it as a signature.

And yet another bogus Washington quote:

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government

The actual quote:

A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: And their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others, for essential, particularly for military supplies.
---George Washington's First Annual Message to Congress (January 8, 1790)
 
Rune said:
Fixed that for you dumbass.
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Altering quotes is a board violation. Your melting...your melting...

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Bfgrn said:
Hey Darla, I wasn't the one who gushed obsessively in every post all about the guys temperature. My 'bulge' comment was crude, I apologize. But then you did end up verifying my comment.
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Stick your "apology" up your ass sideways. I did not gush obsessively or otherwise over anyone. I mentioned he was good looking and then Howey posted a highly unflattering picture so I said it again, and then YOU went sideways and anything I said after that was in self-defense.

And I certainly did not in any way "verify" your claim that I was "controlled" by a man's bulge.
 
Darla said:
Stick your "apology" up your ass sideways. I did not gush obsessively or otherwise over anyone. I mentioned he was good looking and then Howey posted a highly unflattering picture so I said it again, and then YOU went sideways and anything I said after that was in self-defense.

And I certainly did not in any way "verify" your claim that I was "controlled" by a man's bulge.
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I can stick my "apology" up my ass sideways? How gracious and 'lady-like'. Now you are lying Darla. Do I need to post what you said again?
 
So in terms of the 2nd amendment - it was interpreted very differently than today for the first couple centuries of our country. It wasn't until the 70s or so (sorry, don't have the reference handy for exact date) when the NRA got taken over by a more militant group of people that the push was on to have the courts interpret it as any gun, any time and have less emphasis on the militia portion.

As a side note, in Norway, "To own a gun in Norway, one must document a use for the gun. By far the most common grounds for civilian ownership are hunting and sports shooting, in that order. Other needs can include special guard duties or self-defence, but the first is rare unless the person shows identification confirming that he or she is a trained guard or member of a law-enforcement agency and the second is practically never accepted as a reason for gun ownership." and there are various training requirements and storage laws are strict. A lot of people have guns, but they don't seem to be used in crimes as much as ours are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway

At any rate, would the govt confiscate some guns? As someone mentioned, the govt has done a lot of unsavory things - it was 007 I believe who said:
Just like the federal government will never seize peoples property without a warrant, it'll never detain citizens without trial or evidence, it will never subject you to surveillance without evidence or cause. No the government will always be loving and honest forever and ever.
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Absolutely the govt has overstepped the bounds. But, unlike in 1776, a group of citizens with guns will NOT overthrow the govt. As we have seen, when the govt has done those things - even to armed groups - guess what? govt wins.

So I put my faith in our country - in the court system, in the legal system, in the power of the vote. I actually think we have a good strong democracy. I don't know why it seems as though the NRA and its ilk only trust the 2nd amendment and not the rest of the constitution. Granted, they certainly use and abuse representative govt! But the laws at this time allow them to do that.

We have changed the constitution before; the 2nd amendment at this point is a bit of an archaic hangover that the gun rights people have seized on and stretched way further than I think most of us expected. So be it. At this point, it will be hard to change. (Some would probably say the 14th amendment has also been stretched further than anticipated, but I do like that one. )

One of the people on here (I don't remember the name) at least took their argument to the logical conclusion and said basically yes, citizens should have granades and anti-ballistic missiles, etc. I won't want to live in that kind of world, personally. But that is an honest extension of the "no limits in the 2nd amendment" argument.

Obviously, I disagree. I think there should be limits (like in California). I think we should study the cause of gun violence. I think we should fund mental health more and we should finance education and training on safe gun handling and - very important - safe gun storage. I think we should work on technologies that ensure the gun is only used by its owner. None of these will keep people from having guns. None of these will stop all murders. But together, I think they will reduce the number of deaths.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html
 
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