NSA "Scandal"

ZappasGuitar said:
don't know...don't care

I've explained it TWICE now...

Done playing your gotcha game.
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you didn't explain SHIT!!! all you did was say the standard line of 'but bush did' crap. there was no gotcha game, I simply asked how you felt about the government ignoring the constitution if it suited your purposes. apparently you feel that it does since all you can do is act like a 8 year old having a temper tantrum.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
you didn't explain SHIT!!! all you did was say the standard line of 'but bush did' crap. there was no gotcha game, I simply asked how you felt about the government ignoring the constitution if it suited your purposes. apparently you feel that it does since all you can do is act like a 8 year old having a temper tantrum.
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Didn't like my answer? Well cry me a river.

The fact is, the situation we find ourselves dealing with is the culmination of 12 years of the Government utilizing the Patriot Act to gather intel in order to keep us safe.

The bottom line is, we have the BUSH administration to thank for the Patriot Act.

You're opposed to the Patriot Act?

Good for you...me too.
 
Dungheap said:
Because that what the system allgedly allows for. It allegely permits the NSA to have real-time access to the servers of various technology companies. With that access, the government can do whatever the hell it wants.
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Did the private companies give this access to the government or did the government take it? There are legal ways for the government to collect data, and someone giving that data to them is one of those legal ways.

Did the judiciary grant this permit?

Where is that information coming from?
 
If I go to Google and ask for access to all the data they have on people, is that a scandal?

If so why?
 
Dungheap said:
That's nuts, too. You have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your email correspondence.
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You do. And this reminds me so much of years ago when my email was hacked. So many people said that I must have been crazy to think my emails were private. One person told me, no you had a reasonable expectation of privacy what happened to you is a freaking travesty. People don't know until it happens to them. Or they just think if they have nothing to hide, whatever. I just can't even imagine thinking like that. You have a goddamned right to send someone an email and expect it is between you and that person you chose to share it with.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
I think since the Patriot Act was implemented, the Government has found ways to "bypass the Constitution" to "ensure our safety".

And it's not the Government that I worry is reading my e-mails...it's the criminal element.
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Well I don't want anyone other than the recipient reading my emails Zappa.
 
And I don't like the whole "naive" thing, sorry Zap. I am not naive for believing that when I send someone an email they are the only ones to read it. I have every damned right to expect that. I feel as if this cynicism is being glorified. Well never let me get so cynical that I think it's "naive" to expect a little damned privacy.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
so you think it's ok to ignore the constitution as long as the government says they are doing it to keep you safe??
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The government's not ignoring the constitution, regardless of your paranoid rants.


The only problem we have is lack of preparedness. The following was said by Justice William O. Douglas over fifty years ago.


‘‘We are rapidly entering the age of no privacy, where everyone is open to surveillance at all times; where there are no secrets from government.’’


So, there you have it. Fact is your cell phone company snoops on you every day. Call your neighbor and his phone knows your phone number. Your computer snoops on you every day. Your bank snoops on you every day. Your car, today, can track your every movement and report it. Your credit/debit card company snoops on you every day. Every post you make on Facebook means the world is snooping on you every day. Every post on this forum is recorded and kept for virtuality by bots.

If you don't like anyone snooping on you, throw all this stuff away. Go back to the 19th century.

The government's been snooping on it's citizens since the day the ink dried on the Constitution. Don't like it? Move out of the country. Me? I don't care who knows what I google because I know I won't break the law. I do know I appreciate the government possibly getting the heads up on the next Boston Bombers because of a google search for "How to make a bomb".

Here's a hint from the CEO of Google:

‘‘If you have something you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place.’’
 
It seems to me the market would support a company that took great measure to make communications private.
 
Please tell me what the government did wrong if they asked for a private company to give them information and that company voluntarily did so?
 
Darla said:
And I don't like the whole "naive" thing, sorry Zap. I am not naive for believing that when I send someone an email they are the only ones to read it. I have every damned right to expect that. I feel as if this cynicism is being glorified. Well never let me get so cynical that I think it's "naive" to expect a little damned privacy.
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ZappasGuitar said:
And it's not the Government that I worry is reading my e-mails...it's the criminal element.
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The fact remains there are criminals out there who would LOVE to get their hands on our private info and those who don't take the proper precautions are going to get burned.

Is it naive to have McAfee or avast! operating on your computer?

I love my privacy...I EXPECT some semblance of privacy...do I ASSUME my communications are private?

Everyone knows what happens when you assume.
 
Jarod said:
Please tell me what the government did wrong if they asked for a private company to give them information and that company voluntarily did so?
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(1) It violates the Electronic Communications Privacy Act.

(2) Name one company that did that.
 
Darla said:
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It doesn't mean we have to lie down and take it today. I was against it then, and the only way to ever change it is to protest it, IMO.
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And I agree...but first we need to get everyone focused on the REAL problem..getting rid of the Patriot Act.
 
Dungheap said:
(1) It violates the Electronic Communications Privacy Act.

(2) Name one company that did that.
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1) I don't think it does, what part of the act does it violate?
2) I don't know if they did that or not, Verizon it seems was issued a warrant, its a what if, regarding the other companies involved.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Didn't like my answer? Well cry me a river.

The fact is, the situation we find ourselves dealing with is the culmination of 12 years of the Government utilizing the Patriot Act to gather intel in order to keep us safe.

The bottom line is, we have the BUSH administration to thank for the Patriot Act.

You're opposed to the Patriot Act?

Good for you...me too.
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so what it comes down to then, is that you'll accept it under Obama because it's more important to be partisan than it is to be principled. got it.
 
Howey said:
The government's not ignoring the constitution, regardless of your paranoid rants.


The only problem we have is lack of preparedness. The following was said by Justice William O. Douglas over fifty years ago.


‘‘We are rapidly entering the age of no privacy, where everyone is open to surveillance at all times; where there are no secrets from government.’’


So, there you have it. Fact is your cell phone company snoops on you every day. Call your neighbor and his phone knows your phone number. Your computer snoops on you every day. Your bank snoops on you every day. Your car, today, can track your every movement and report it. Your credit/debit card company snoops on you every day. Every post you make on Facebook means the world is snooping on you every day. Every post on this forum is recorded and kept for virtuality by bots.

If you don't like anyone snooping on you, throw all this stuff away. Go back to the 19th century.

The government's been snooping on it's citizens since the day the ink dried on the Constitution. Don't like it? Move out of the country. Me? I don't care who knows what I google because I know I won't break the law. I do know I appreciate the government possibly getting the heads up on the next Boston Bombers because of a google search for "How to make a bomb".

Here's a hint from the CEO of Google:

‘‘If you have something you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place.’’
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that's a freakishly insane idea, statist. but we all know you hate people having rights in the first place, except for yourself that is.
 
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