NSA "Scandal"

I have to agree with STY, howey. Are you serious??? First of all, you have every right to do things you don't want anyone else knowing about, but secondly, we all do things that people know about generally speaking, but we don't want them watching us do. For instance, I'm sure you make love with your husband. Everyone knows that. Do you want anyone watching. Hell no, and even if you do, you don't get to say that the rest of us have to too!
 
Bottom line: all the jackasses who praised the Patriot Act are now bald faced hypocrits and phonies for wailing about the NSA trolling our phone conversations, e-mails, web sites, etc.

And all the liberals and dems who condemned the Shrub & company for this shit should get off the fence and scream bloody murder at Obama & company for not at least trying to alter that blasphemy so there would be SOME accountability to the people's representatives.

This guy gave up $2 grand a year in Hawaii to get the country talking about this stuff. Maybe we can also throw in a "WTF" regarding contracting of private companies for gov't security (i.e., Black Star). and the beat goes on.
 
Darla said:
I have to agree with STY, howey. Are you serious??? First of all, you have every right to do things you don't want anyone else knowing about, but secondly, we all do things that people know about generally speaking, but we don't want them watching us do. For instance, I'm sure you make love with your husband. Everyone knows that. Do you want anyone watching. Hell no, and even if you do, you don't get to say that the rest of us have to too!
Click to expand...

While I appreciate your right to disagree with me, Darla, that doesn't underscore the fact that this has been going on since - as I stated - the day the ink dried on the Constitution.

It's just more advanced now.

Espionage, and warfare, are rapidly changing before our eyes. Change our laws, but remember other countries won't be changing theirs. And within a month they'll be lightyears ahead of us.
 
Added - I never thought the day would happen that super-liberal, bleeding heart me would be a voice of reason on this forum.
 
Darla said:
And I don't like the whole "naive" thing, sorry Zap. I am not naive for believing that when I send someone an email they are the only ones to read it. I have every damned right to expect that. I feel as if this cynicism is being glorified. Well never let me get so cynical that I think it's "naive" to expect a little damned privacy.
Click to expand...

I guess Zippy thinks it would be naive to believe you have to walk down a street without being mugged....
 
Howey said:
The government's not ignoring the constitution, regardless of your paranoid rants.


The only problem we have is lack of preparedness. The following was said by Justice William O. Douglas over fifty years ago.


‘‘We are rapidly entering the age of no privacy, where everyone is open to surveillance at all times; where there are no secrets from government.’’


So, there you have it. Fact is your cell phone company snoops on you every day. Call your neighbor and his phone knows your phone number. Your computer snoops on you every day. Your bank snoops on you every day. Your car, today, can track your every movement and report it. Your credit/debit card company snoops on you every day. Every post you make on Facebook means the world is snooping on you every day. Every post on this forum is recorded and kept for virtuality by bots.

If you don't like anyone snooping on you, throw all this stuff away. Go back to the 19th century.

The government's been snooping on it's citizens since the day the ink dried on the Constitution. Don't like it? Move out of the country. Me? I don't care who knows what I google because I know I won't break the law. I do know I appreciate the government possibly getting the heads up on the next Boston Bombers because of a google search for "How to make a bomb".

Here's a hint from the CEO of Google:

‘‘If you have something you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place.’’
Click to expand...



What are you implying you idiot....that Justice William O. Douglas was CONDONING this loss of privacy ?

You show us you're a bigger fool than we thought every day....I expect one more post will confirm you're a COMPLETE FOOL.....
 
nsa-fox-hackers.jpg
 
NOVA said:
What are you implying you idiot....that Justice William O. Douglas was CONDONING this loss of privacy ?

You show us you're a bigger fool than we thought every day....I expect one more post will confirm you're a COMPLETE FOOL.....
Click to expand...

No, numbskull. I'm saying we knew of the possibilities of the technological changes to intelligence gathering fifty years ago and did nothing to address them.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Bottom line: all the jackasses who praised the Patriot Act are now bald faced hypocrits and phonies for wailing about the NSA trolling our phone conversations, e-mails, web sites, etc.

And all the liberals and dems who condemned the Shrub & company for this shit should get off the fence and scream bloody murder at Obama & company for not at least trying to alter that blasphemy so there would be SOME accountability to the people's representatives.

This guy gave up $2 grand a year in Hawaii to get the country talking about this stuff. Maybe we can also throw in a "WTF" regarding contracting of private companies for gov't security (i.e., Black Star). and the beat goes on.
Click to expand...

Yup..

Notice that all they have to do to get Right Wing votes for something is to name it in a positive form such as "Patriot Act" and "Right to Work" which are named nothing like what they actually are. But as I've noticed on lots of forums, the Right seems to read a title and little beyond that.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
so what it comes down to then, is that you'll accept it under Obama because it's more important to be partisan than it is to be principled. got it.
Click to expand...


Apparently what it comes down to is you are willing make up whatever nonsense you want about me and pretend it's the truth.

Understood.
 
Jarod said:
Think of it like this, if you take a Cab to the Opera, and someone later asks the cab driver where he took you.... is it a 4th Amendment issue?

If you want to keep where you went private... get a driver who you trust not to share.
Click to expand...
Yet if yo drive to the Opera and the cops don't follow but instead use a GPS tracker it violates your 4th Amendment rights. Knowing who I call, how long I speak to them and how often is NOT like asking a taxi driver where he took me. IF it was a land line they would have to get a warrant for my call records.
 
Socrtease said:
Yet if yo drive to the Opera and the cops don't follow but instead use a GPS tracker it violates your 4th Amendment rights. Knowing who I call, how long I speak to them and how often is NOT like asking a taxi driver where he took me. IF it was a land line they would have to get a warrant for my call records.
Click to expand...

No, not if the phone company agreed to give them the records.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top