Emmett Till / Trayvon Martin - An Awakening to Racist Evil in America

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Darla said:
Onceler, you literally have zero standing to state what does or does not do a "disservice to Emmett Till". That is exactly like when a woman says she was date raped, and Tom posts an article about why real rape only happens when you have knife held to your throat and were badly beaten, and says that the woman who is "crying" about date rape is doing a disservice to real rape victims. I have heard that shit all my life. This is what you are doing to BAC. How can you even think it's anywhere near okay to tell him that he is doing a disservice to Emmett Till????
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So, only blacks can comment about civil rights, and only women can comment about women's issues. How about the Holocaust...do I need to be Jewish? Or the IRA...should only the Irish talk about that one?

Sure will make for some boring conversation, but okay.
 
poet said:
Bravo. Well-said. The truth is I have so many white friends on my Facebook page, echoing my sentiments, my disappointment and my anger...which lets me know that there are good, well-meaning people in the world. But almost to a person, those on the right sided with Zimmerman, and saw Martin as the aggressor, which is so Twilight Zone-y to me as to not make any sense, whatsoever. I can't imagine what Martin was doing that made Zimmerman think he was up to no good, when, in fact, he was on the cellphone to his girlfriend. Usually people don't "break and enter" or "rape", while being "on the phone". Martin had 2 courses of action, when he realized Zimmerman was following him...either "run" or "confront". He did the latter, and it cost him his life. Did Zimmerman even stop to think that he might have been a resident, or did the hoodie Martin was wearing preclude that possibility? Common sense was not the order of the day, perhaps, on both of their parts. What remains is that Zimmerman failed to heed the instructions of the 911 dispatcher, and Martin is dead. And America is divided, perhaps more than it was due to President Obama's election. We have yet to deal with race and racism, and it's 2013.
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There are millions of us.

we actually outnumber the racists and that grows every day with the births of all our children.

the kids roundly refuse this crap even in the south.


We will win my brothers.

Our day will come.


their day is soon to be gone.

to them I lift a hearty fairtheenot so well of


FUCK YOU!
 
Thing1 said:
I'm embarassed for you today. This is a board for debate.

I can't believe you of all people would tell me to sit back, shut up & just listen to the pro's - because of my SKIN COLOR.

Trayvon Martin is my brother as much as BAC's. I'm tired of people creating false separations based on something as superficial as color.
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Seriously, you must be fucking kidding.

That or the righties are correct about racism on our side too.
 
Thing1 said:
And it's pretty ironic, Darla, that your 1st comment to me was that I was trying to "silence" others.

Take a read back through your posts since then - and let me know how that goes.
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It isn't her fault that you are clueless.
I used to respect you so much....
 
Thing1 said:
Someone else's actual lived experiences will always be important to me, and I'm not someone who thinks minorities have "made it" and that civil rights is a thing of the past.

But it does a huge disservice to Emmett Till and everyone who suffered at that time to compare that case to this one. Please. Again - does intent matter to you at all?
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Bull fucking shit.

You are doing a huge dis-service to all of humanity with your bullshit "enlightenment" Go stand with Damo in the hall of Racial Stupidity.
 
Darla said:
I don't think some of you know what a silencing tactic is. Silencing is when a guy tells a woman who is communicating a lived sexist, abusive, experience of hers, that she is being hysterical. Or that now she is getting carried away. Like, "I think rape is wrong, but now you are being ridiculous". See that is silencing. Portraying her as crazy, hysterical, and portraying yourself as the voice of reason. Here comes Big Daddy to let you know that hey, he knows abuse of women is wrong, but he can tell you what actually constitutes abuse. And he'll also let you know when you have gone "over the top' and aren't serving anyone.

See, I am very familiar with silencing tactics, so I recognize them immediately when they are being used against black people. Because it's always the same old shit.
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Thing1 said:
That's so good to know; thanks a million for that clarification.

It's great to know that telling people to shut up & listen to the black guy because they are white & can never comment on a black issue is not a "silencing tactic." I never would have guessed that; but it's true that you learn something new every day.
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You can comment. But your initial comment was pretty clueless; as Darla said, like a white father telling everyone else they're wrong. From that comment, sounds like you should be listening a lot more.

When you walk into a store and get followed by a security guard due to the color of your skin; you can then think about commenting, ok? When you're trying to get into your own house and the police arrest you because of the color of your skin; you can think about commenting. OR when you've listened enough you can comment.

But when you tell black people that "No one is served by taking this to such over-the-top extremes" - sorry, that's not your place to say.
 
Darla said:
Onceler, you literally have zero standing to state what does or does not do a "disservice to Emmett Till". That is exactly like when a woman says she was date raped, and Tom posts an article about why real rape only happens when you have knife held to your throat and were badly beaten, and says that the woman who is "crying" about date rape is doing a disservice to real rape victims. I have heard that shit all my life. This is what you are doing to BAC. How can you even think it's anywhere near okay to tell him that he is doing a disservice to Emmett Till????
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You are on fire today special sister.
 
Thing1 said:
So, only blacks can comment about civil rights, and only women can comment about women's issues. How about the Holocaust...do I need to be Jewish? Or the IRA...should only the Irish talk about that one?

Sure will make for some boring conversation, but okay.
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Hey idiot, notice that Leaning Right is thanking your posts? That should be your first clue.
 
evince said:
There are millions of us.

we actually outnumber the racists and that grows every day with the births of all our children.

the kids roundly refuse this crap even in the south.


We will win my brothers.

Our day will come.


their day is soon to be gone.

to them I lift a hearty fairtheenot so well of


FUCK YOU!
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Tell it sister!
 
Thing1 said:
What have I said that is racist?

And you'll have to do better than "you're on drugs." Try to actually articulate something.
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No need. The wonderful new girl did it for me;

tekkychick said:
You can comment. But your initial comment was pretty clueless; as Darla said, like a white father telling everyone else they're wrong. From that comment, sounds like you should be listening a lot more.


But when you tell black people that "No one is served by taking this to such over-the-top extremes" - sorry, that's not your place to say.
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Thing1 said:
Again - how about trying to make an argument instead of just slinging names & such?

LR is a good poster, btw - he's not a mindless hack or troll.
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I don't need to make an argument.

My true brother, BAC made the argument.

It is you who is saying he is wrong.

I see nothing in the way of proof in your words.

I see much proof in his.

Done with you now, simple one.
 
tekkychick said:
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/15/our_real_problem_is_white_rage/

While reading the excellent article posted by Darla (reposted above) a couple thoughts came to mind.

1) As Darla has been indicating as well - NO WHITE PERSON - none - knows what it's like to be suspected of wrong-doing just due to the color of your skin. To walk into a store and have clerks keep an extra eye on you. To walk down the street and have people cross to the other side. To be stopped by a cop because "someone like you" shouldn't be in that neighborhood. I include myself in that not knowing; I have a suspicion; I'm pretty empathetic; but I forget. If you are black, you can never forget. Anywhere you go, you are first judged negatively by your skin; you then have to attempt to make a better impression. Whites don't have to do that. Every single day, black people do.

2) I remember white men on this site talking about storming the govt; I left one thread quickly because it actually seemed treasonous to me. But they want to attack the govt because they think it no longer represents them; because it's taking their guns; because - well, whatever. I'm paraphrasing, and since I don't understand their reasoning, hard to get it all straight. But they have talked about overthrowing the govt violently. YET - when black people say "this govt isn't representing me; it's persecuting people of my race; it's discriminating against me" .... they say "no, they must be peaceful! no, there must not be a 'riot' over this! No, black people are just thugs if they raise up against this." Apparently it's only ok to fight back against govt if you are a white man.

Thanks for the article, Darla. Very thought provoking. I hope everyone reads it.

(evince: a FB site you might like if you aren't on it already. I love it! https://www.facebook.com/pages/Intelligent-classy-well-educated-women-who-say-Fck-a-lot/191907457493339?fref=ts )
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One time I was riding with my mom and dad and little bro and sis.

we were hungry and I sais "hey there is a BBQ shop right there" my dad said " No that is a black place".

Now my dad was a product of his upbringing and this is like 1982.

I was an adult at this point and had been on my own for some time.

I looked at him and he knew what was coming.

"Dad the person it running a business and just because they are black is no reason to punish the business".

He grinned and said OK and pulled into the place in a little cali town called Hesperia.

we walked in and at the counter was a young pretty black woman.

She scowled and walked into the back.

we stood there waiting and waiting for quite some time and I looked at my dad and said "OK man".



Just as we were doing so an other black man who was obviously the one who actually cooks came out and said "Oh please don't go how can I help you?".


My dad smiled a sweet smile and said "that is OK man we will go somewhere else" and we did.


I called the young woman an asshole when we got back into the car and told my dad that now I knew why he didn't want to stop.

He knew the area.


Now I know what its like to be refused service for the color of your skin.


Guess how it makes a person feel.

really fucking BAD and angry.


some racist turd would rationalize such an incident as a good reason to continue being a racist turd.


For me it was a kind of gift.

I had a tiny peek in the window.


that window is real.


that window doesn't happen only in a tiny Podunk city in cali.

that solidified for me even more HOW BAD racism is.


I really to this day cant believe it happened and I will BET that young woman today would be ashamed of her own behavior.

You racists can dish it out but you cant take it.


well guess what your way way way outnumbered now because lots of us white people are no longer willing to help you live your lie.
 
Rune said:
I don't need to make an argument.

My true brother, BAC made the argument.

It is you who is saying he is wrong.

I see nothing in the way of proof in your words.

I see much proof in his.

Done with you now, simple one.
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Nah - you've said nothing.

I respect BAC quite a bit; he articulates his POV, and presents arguments. You've done nothing like that here.
 
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