Arifa Bibi Stoned To Death In Pakistan For Possessing A Cell Phone

Aoxomoxoa said:
I wonder if you would be happy if the Pakistani Taliban take over and get their hands on all those nuclear weapons?
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no i wouldn't. Why we give the ISI money, to my understanding, to try to keep the place stable.

My objection is trying to partner with these vipers, with US (and NATO) assests -to try and drag Afg. into some kind of modern era.

I have no problem trying to keep the fundamentalist out of power - working with Paki internals, we've done this for years.

Let the Taliban have Wazir, the trbals, and for that matter Afganistan. It is a feudal society, better suited for warlord rule.

Paki at least has some degree of modernism, try to hold that line.
 
annata said:
no i wouldn't. Why we give the ISI money, to my understanding, to try to keep the place stable.

My objection is trying to partner with these vipers, with US (and NATO) assests -to try and drag Afg. into some kind of modern era.

I have no problem trying to keep the fundamentalist out of power - working with Paki internals, we've done this for years.

Let the Taliban have Wazir, the trbals, and for that matter Afganistan. It is a feudal society, better suited for warlord rule.

Paki at least has some degree of modernism, try to hold that line.
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I don't know if you realise it but Afghanistan wasn't always a hellhole. In fact in the sixties, it was part of the hippy trail to Nepal and India. The city of Lashkar Gah was built by Americans as a model planned city, and the hundreds of miles of canals that the Taliban now hide in were constructed by the same company that built the San Francisco Bay Bridge and Cape Canaveral.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2009/10/kabul_city_number_one_part_3.html


 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I don't know if you realise it but Afghanistan wasn't always a hellhole. In fact in the sixties, it was part of the hippy trail to Nepal and India. The city of Lashkar Gah was built by Americans as a model planned city, and the hundreds of miles of canals that the Taliban now hide in were constructed by the same company that built the San Francisco Bay Bridge and Cape Canaveral.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2009/10/kabul_city_number_one_part_3.html
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very interesting, TY for the link, looking thru it . An older guy I knew ( I was not even a teen till the end of the 60's) did go to Afganistan, and brought back a bunch of hashish taped to his body - it was black/shiney, maybe slightly moldy with white lines ( I doubt that was opium laden).

Probabaly Afgan or Pakistani hashish. I do know a little bit about what my older brothers were upto in the 60's, but I had to observe most of it.

Interesting place Afganistan, too bad for the Soviet invasion/U bin-Laden / Taliban winning the civil war, and the finality of the re-invasion by the Americans.

fr link:
theories obsessed the American development agencies and they came up with all sorts of ideas about how to turn countries like Afghanistan into modern democracies.

One of the oddest was the belief that it was possible to scientifically discover who the crucial "transitional personalities" were in the society. These were people who had underlying "capitalist personalities" that they were unaware of. A psychologist called David McLelland invented a way of discovering who had these traits - and techniques to then develop what he called "the need to achieve". He was convinced you could use behavioural psychology to turn people throughout the world into model Americans
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which looks exceedingly like the use of "soft power" to me.
 
annata said:
very interesting, TY for the link, looking thru it . An older guy I knew ( I was not even a teen till the end of the 60's) did go to Afganistan, and brought back a bunch of hashish taped to his body - it was black/shiney, maybe slightly moldy with white lines ( I doubt that was opium laden).

Probabaly Afgan or Pakistani hashish. I do know a little bit about what my older brothers were upto in the 60's, but I had to observe most of it.

Interesting place Afganistan, too bad for the Soviet invasion/U bin-Laden / Taliban winning the civil war, and the finality of the re-invasion by the Americans.

fr link:
which looks exceedingly like the use of "soft power" to me.
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Did you read this part?

In 1969 the Afghan government and the American planners finally promised "the year of yield take-off".

But there was a drought. The Helmand river became a trickle. The main reservoir created by the project dried up completely. Wheat yields were the lowest in the world - 4 bushels to the acre - Iowa's yield was 180 bushels to the acre. This created a massive food crisis which began to destabilize the government and the King.

There were student strikes. Many of the student leaders came from the engineering department which was now full of communist and Maoist cells. Then one of the communist students defected to a new group of revolutionaries - the Islamists. He was called Gulbaddin Hekmatyar, and he became notorious for his violence. Some say he went round throwing acid in the faces of women without headscarves, but he denies this and says that if he lived in the west he would sue for libel. He was given a nickname - The Engineer.

In 1972 parliament was suspended and a year later the Prime Minister Daoud joined with the army to mount a coup that got rid of the King. It was the beginning of the chaos that would lead the country into anarchy and disaster. And the end of the dreams of the Helmand Valley Project. The Americans began to leave, abandoning a vast infrastructure that started to decay. But during the Soviet war both sides found a use for the remains of the project. The giant reservoir was used to dump bodies tortured and killed by the Khalq communists. While the Mujahedin used the water chanels for cover when fighting the Russians

And the new soil was very suitable for a new crop - the opium poppy. It grows well in dry climates and in alkaline and saline soils, and poppy-growing increased massively in Helmand in the 1980s. And with it the heroin trade.
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so we have to go into paki because this woman was stoned to death by her own family but we should have ignored a dictator who gassed his own people by the hundrends?


wow you guys cant think straight
 
^ wow. I almost missed it, so the Maoist, communists were naturally going to try to undo anything American (capitalist).

They are a true scourge on the world's history - can't understate it Mao's "Great Leaps Forward"/ Killing Fields/ USSR enslavement of E Europe.

I gott do a few things, but will read thru this agin, Thanks man -really appreciate the heads up background!! :-)
 
annata said:
^ wow. I almost missed it, so the Maoist, communists were naturally going to try to undo anything American (capitalist).

They are a true scourge on the world's history - can't understate it Mao's "Great Leaps Forward"/ Killing Fields/ USSR enslavement of E Europe.

I gott do a few things, but will read thru this agin, Thanks man -really appreciate the heads up background!! :-)
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I suggest that you start from here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/posts/kabul_city_number_one_1
 
evince said:
so we have to go into paki because this woman was stoned to death by her own family but we should have ignored a dictator who gassed his own people by the hundrends?


wow you guys cant think straight
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Pakistan is a million times more potentially dangerous than Syria, if you weren't so <insert appropriate comment here>, then you would know that.
 
evince said:
now tell me Aox is religious nutters stoning one woman WORSE than gassing babies in their sleep for poltical gain?
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They stoned one woman? Or they stoned one more woman in a continuing terror campaign against all women?

How likely is it that any woman there will obtain a cellphone? Or step out of line in any way?

Are you out of your ever-loving mind Desh?
 
evince said:
so we have to go into paki because this woman was stoned to death by her own family but we should have ignored a dictator who gassed his own people by the hundrends?


wow you guys cant think straight
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I don't want to go into either place for either reason.

I also won't sit here and claim that a war of terror waged on women is better than something else.
 
Darla said:
I don't want to go into either place for either reason.

I also won't sit here and claim that a war of terror waged on women is better than something else.
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gas is far more harmful than stones.

why does he care about stones but not gas?


and YES gas is worse.

If the stoning was as bad a gas then they would have to stone her children for her crime and then stone any pregnant woman near her and stone their babies if they manage to be born alive.


YES more than one death is worse than one death.


pretending it is not is silly
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
I suggest that you start from here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/posts/kabul_city_number_one_1
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skimming thru it as I an wont ( exact word) to do.
It's interesting, not so much all the background, but the Taliban becoming the new mafia types.

Also the fact they don't leave their dead -which agrees with what I see here: http://warnewstoday.blogspot.com/ where Afgan National Forces claim "insugent casualtys" but there is little evidence that there were inflictions.

The good thing about being in the US is I literally don't give a damn about central Asia. I don't care about Paki -have no desire to "partner" with them
being much more amendable to working with the sub-continent of India.

Still I will read thru it, in an effort to try to get more info, and I do thank you for the link.

Doesn't change my p.o.v. about getting out (today is the anniversray of the Afgan invasion by the US 10-7-2001), but more texture is always welcome.

Thank you again, most eye opening. Now to extract us from this hellhole ASAP.
 
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