Americans Renouncing Their Citizenship

Big Money said:
I wonder if any of the leftist celebrities who said they'd leave America if Bush was elected/reelected renounced their citizenship?
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Election season bluster: Threats to move to Canada, a Trump call for 'revolution!'

Cohen says he can remember only three of four cases in more than 30 years that involved someone actually making good on their threat to move to Canada to escape an American president.

This election cycle, he said, most of the calls "tended to be conservative or Romney supporters. There were not as many from the other side, so maybe they had kind of a premonition."

It's all part of the election season's bluster cycle, and while partisan hot air is typical this time of year, this year's squabbling has been "palpably ugly," even if most of it is just talk, said Jerrold Post, director of George Washington University's political psychology program and author of "Political Paranoia: The Psychopolitics of Hatred."

"That's always been the case: more extreme talk than actions," he said. "You can entertain any idea you want to, but there's a difference between having an idea and acting on an idea."

Bryan Fischer of the evangelical group the American Family Association reportedly said last week, "I think there will be blood" if Obama wins. In north Georgia, the president of the Cottages of Woodstock homeowners' association, a residential community for the elderly, said he would shut the complex's gates for fear of "negative repercussions (that) may occur because of the results of the election," The New York Times reported.

In August, Lubbock County, Texas, Judge Tom Head warned that the country could descend into civil war if Obama was re-elected and, as the county's emergency management coordinator, he considered whether he'd have to "call out the militia" if Obama ordered U.N. troops to quell the uprising...

So, there are no tanks rolling through the nations' metropolises, no disappointed partisans reaching for their rifles. As Tepper said, life goes on, as it does after each election cycle, despite the disappointment of those in the losing candidate's camp. And those souls who swear they're abandoning this land for fear of Obama turning tyrannical in his second term?

Yeah, not happening.



http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/07/politics/us-election-bluster/
 
The Dude said:
Nice is 10 mies west
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I worked in an economy that rewards someone who saves the lives of others on a battlefield with a medal, rewards a great teacher with thank-you notes from parents, but rewards those who can detect the best of securities; with sums reaching into the millions. In essence, fate's distribution of long straws is wildly capricious.
 
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I hope these losers move to countries that undergo violent communist revolutions, lose everything, and face firing squads
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
What are the requirements for an American to hold dual citizenship in the US and Mexico?

In: Mexico, Dual Citizenship

Answer:
The individual would have to be deemed a U.S. citizen by birth, and also deemed a Mexican citizen under Mexican law. Here's why:

The United States has two types of citizenship, citizenship by birth and citizenship by naturalization.

U.S. citizenship by birth and "dual citizenship"

The specification of what characteristics must accrue to those accorded U.S. citizenship by birth is primarily set forth in Title 8, United States Code, section 1401, but 8 U.S.C. §1401a, 8 U.S.C. §1402, 8 U.S.C. §1403, 8 U.S.C. §1404, 8 U.S.C. §1405, 8 U.S.C. §1406, 8 U.S.C. §1407, 8 U.S.C. §1408, and 8 U.S.C. §1409 also speak to this.

Some of those accorded U.S. citizenship by birth include persons born outside the United States. For instance, inter alia, 8 U.S.C. §1401(c), 8 U.S.C. §1401(d), 8 U.S.C. §1401(g) and 8 U.S.C. §1401(h) specify characteristics accruing to individuals who are considered U.S. citizens by birth, but who are born outside the geographical boundaries of the United States. This is the American jus sanguinis.

It is therefore corollary to this status that those individuals are both entitled to U.S. citizenship by birth through the jus sanguinis and citizenship in and of the relevant foreign nation through that nation's jus soli. That is, when one is a U.S. citizen by birth because one has the characteristics accruing to oneself that are specified in 8 U.S.C. §1401 et seq., it is a matter of birth, and not choice.

Therefore, by the jus soli as to both countries, one is a U.S. citizen by birth and in some way is subject to the citizenship laws of the foreign nation, simultaneously. This status is what is meant by the term "dual citizenship".

U.S. citizenship by naturalization and the legal impossibility of "dual citizenship"

U.S. citizenship by naturalization, however, stands in contrast to this. Particularly instructive about U.S. citizenship by naturalization, set forth in Title 8, United States Code, section 1421, et seq., is 8 U.S.C. §1448(a)(2):

"[a] person who has applied for naturalization shall, in order to be and before being admitted to citizenship, take in a public ceremony before the Attorney General or a court with jurisdiction under section 1421(b) of this title an oath:

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to renounce and abjure absolutely and entirely all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which the applicant was before a subject or citizen[.]"

What this means is that under U.S. law, at the moment of naturalization, by U.S. law one is no longer a citizen of the nation from which one originated, and henceforth is only a U.S. citizen. Therefore, for naturalized citizens of the United States, it is legally impossible to be a "dual citizen".
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That's how I know that. My wife became a naturalized US citizen earlier this year.
 
Panda Hugger said:
Americans who get another citizenship only lose their American one if they acquired the foreign citizenship specifically with the intention of renouncing their American one. And foreigners take an oath announcing they that renounce all other citizenship's upon taking on American citizenship, but this has never been interpreted as requiring them to go out and specifically terminate their American citizenship, and most countries don't consider the oath sufficient for terminating their citizenship (it's usually very difficult to actually renounce citizenship, due to problems states have had with dealing with the stateless). So, the US doesn't encourage dual citizenship or even particularly like it, but there's no specific set of rules that effectively prevent it from occurring.

You'd have to require nationals to specifically go through their countries process of renouncing citizenship before their allowed to be naturalized, and you'd have to specifically pass a law automatically removing anyone's American citizenship as soon as they get another one. The second would be very difficult, in many cases - what if someone were granted a citizenship they didn't even really want automatically through some legislative change in another country (a lot of countries pass very broad citizenship laws that claim all people of some nationality as citizens, and there would also be problems with immigrants giving birth and the child being granted citizenship in their former country through some obscure clause)? Unless you immediately terminated their citizenship without even notifying them or giving them a chance to renounce the unwanted citizenship, you'd have dual citizens, wouldn't you?
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That's beside the point. An American citizen can obtain citizenship with another nation but it is not recognized by the US government until the renounce their US Citizenship. According to US law they are still a US Citizen and any other citizenship they may claim is not recognized by the US government unless they renounce their US Citizenship.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Mexico may recognize dual citizenship but I'm pretty sure that the US government does not.
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the point is, the US does will not require me to denounce my US citizenship when they discover I am also a Mexican citizen. If both countries are aware of my citizenship in the other, and neither has a problem with it, I am a dual citizen.
 
maineman said:
the point is, the US does will not require me to denounce my US citizenship when they discover I am also a Mexican citizen. If both countries are aware of my citizenship in the other, and neither has a problem with it, I am a dual citizen.
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In Mexico. The US Government will not recognize your Mexican citizenship and will consider you a US citizen.
 
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