Is the Civil Rights movement what turned the South Republican for 50 years..

Taft2016 said:
I didn't say they were mutually exclusive. You're implying they're inextricably linked.

I asked how they were connected with Jim Crow?

And for that matter, how does bigger government and the welfare state become indicative of anti-Jim Crow? I already pointed out how Theodore Bilbo's positions did not make them mutually exclusive.
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I am implying that the Southern Strategy did attempt, rather successfully, to connect them. Again... what was Mehlman apologizing for?
 
maineman said:
I am implying that the Southern Strategy did attempt, rather successfully, to connect them. Again... what was Mehlman apologizing for?
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No:

Nixon’s Southern Strategy Was Not A Racist Appeal

In the arsenal of the Democrats is a condemnation of Republican President Richard Nixon for his so-called “Southern Strategy.” These same Democrats expressed no concern when the racially segregated South voted solidly for Democrats for over 100 years, yet unfairly deride Republicans because of the thirty-year odyssey of the South switching to the Republican Party that began in the 1970's. Nixon's "Southern Strategy” was an effort on his part to get fair-minded people in the South to stop voting for Democrats who did not share their values and were discriminating against blacks. Georgia did not switch until 2004, and Louisiana was controlled by Democrats until the election of Republican Governor Bobby Jindal in 2007.

As the co-architect of Nixon’s “Southern Strategy”, Pat Buchanan provided a first-hand account of the origin and intent of that strategy in a 2002 article that can be found on the Internet at: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30233

In that article, Buchanan wrote that when Nixon kicked off his historic comeback in 1966 with a column about the South (written by Buchanan), Nixon declared that the Republican Party would be built on a foundation of states rights, human rights, small government and a strong national defense, and leave it to the “party of Maddox, Mahoney and Wallace to squeeze the last ounce of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice”.

During the 1966 campaign, Nixon was personally thanked by Dr. King for his help in passing the Civil Rights Act of 1957. Nixon also endorsed all Republicans, except the members of the John Birch Society.

Notably, the enforcement of affirmative action began with Richard Nixon‘s 1969 Philadelphia Plan (crafted by black Republican Art Fletcher who became known as “the father of affirmative action enforcement”) that set the nation‘s first goals and timetables. Nixon was also responsible for the passage of civil rights legislation in the 1970’s, including the Equal Employment Act of 1972.

Fletcher, as president of the United Negro College Fund, coined the phrase “the mind is a terrible thing to waste.” Fletcher was also one of the original nine plaintiffs in the famous “Brown v. Topeka Board of Education” decision. Fletcher briefly pursued a bid for the Republican presidential nomination in 1995.

Nixon began his merit-based affirmative action program to overcome the harm caused by Democrat President Woodrow Wilson who, after he was elected in 1912, kicked blacks out of federal government jobs and prevented blacks from obtaining federal contracts. Also, while Wilson was president and Congress was controlled by the Democrats, more discriminatory bills were introduced in Congress than ever before in our nation’s history. Today, Democrats have turned affirmative action into an unfair quota system that even most blacks do not support.
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maineman said:
that has always been my premise. the south is still full of negro hating racists... the democratic party abandoned them, so they started voted for republicans... national maps show that to be the case.
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The South didn't start changing to RED until the 1990's you simple minded dishonest dunce; thanks to the chicanery of Bill Clinton.

The reason it is changing has NOTHING to do with racism in the South; but rather than many of those racist politicians have been slowly dying off and the attitudes in the South are changing with shifting demographics.

But alas, I am trying to debate facts with a dishonest dunce stuck permanently on his special brand of stupid.

National Guard Troops had to be called in to finish the job Abe Lincoln left undone. The Southern Social Conservative Democrats were furious and never again voted for a Democrat in a national election, (except a few exceptions including Georgia's support of JC).

The above is a lie as proven by the data. If this were true, Robert Byrd would not have died in office.

Slowly the demise of the national Democratic Party in the South led to the end of the local Democratic party and most places in the former Confederate States barely have a Democratic party now.

This is a lie as proven from the data; registration among Democrats and Republicans are almost tied, if not favor Democrats everywhere in the USA and the South.

If this were the case, how did Obama get elected? How did Clinton get elected? How did Robert Byrd keep getting re-elected etc. etc. etc.

But the biggest lie of all was the threads title to support the false premise:

Is the Civil Rights movement what turned the South Republican for 50 years..

The South was dominated by Democratic Party politics until 1994 when it started to evolve rather than continually regress.

Carry on dunce; it is apparent you have the historic memory of an earthworm, the integrity of a snake and the intelligence of a rock.
 
maineman said:
I am implying that the Southern Strategy did attempt, rather successfully, to connect them. Again... what was Mehlman apologizing for?
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No matter how many times you parrot the same dimwitted lie, it still doesn't look less stupid.

Damn you're one dumb dimwit.
 
maineman said:
I am implying that the Southern Strategy did attempt, rather successfully, to connect them. Again... what was Mehlman apologizing for?
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I'm not talking to Mehlman, I'm talking to you.

Since Lee Atwater was the architect of the southern strategy, where did he state he was looping in Jim Crow to the overall plan? And what specific policies did promote to attract the Jim Crow crowd?

I want to know where the GOP allegedly embraced Jim Crow?

Put up or clam up.
 
of course they couldn't "embrace Jim Crow"... the CRA ended that... but they CERTAINLY could go after the former supporters of that policy.... and they DID... rather successfully. Why do you run away from Mehlman's apology, by the way?
 
maineman said:
of course they couldn't "embrace Jim Crow"... the CRA ended that... but they CERTAINLY could go after the former supporters of that policy.... and they DID... rather successfully.
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And your evidence of this is....?

Why do you run away from Mehlman's apology, by the way?
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I'm not running away from it. Did he apologize for embracing Jim Crow? If not, what's the relevance?
 
The evidence is the red color all over the south in the last several election maps.

And...what's the relevance of Mehlman's apology to the NAACP in a thread about whether the civil rights movement had anything to do with the south turning red?

really???

You couldn't have typed that last question without laughing.... could you?
 
maineman said:
The evidence is the red color all over the south in the last several election maps.
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What part of “since 1995” do you continue to NOT comprehend dunce?

maineman said:
And...what's the relevance of Mehlman's apology to the NAACP in a thread about whether the civil rights movement had anything to do with the south turning red?
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Already answered dunce; it has NO relevance at all. It didn’t have any relevance the five other times you asked the same stupid question either. And it won’t have any more relevance if you ask it five more times. But you’re an idiot stuck on stupid; of course you keep asking the same dumb questions over and over again. It’s part of the special brand of stupid you bring to the forum.

It only has relevance for dishonest clueless dunces who cannot comprehend their false dialogue and refuse to look at the actual historic data and information.

maineman said:
You couldn't have typed that last question without laughing.... could you?
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One wonders how you type ANY of the buffoonish nonsense you type without laughing.

Learn to use the reply with quote feature shit-for-brains.

Dismissed Commander Dunce.
 
maineman said:
the statement had to do with the south, not with republicans.

do try to keep up.
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And you've proved nothing in either case.

As for Mehlman, he was a typical establishment groveling Republican.

Does race ever enter politics? Yeah, it does. Do Democrats ever deal the race card from the bottom of the deck? Constantly.

Do they ever apologize for it?

Hell no.
 
So... what you're saying is that Mehlman apologized to the NAACP for something that didn't happen in the first place?
 
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