Conservatives, who is your current fav. for the Republican presidental nomination?

Taft2016 said:
If you were any kind of conservative at all, you'd understand that "change" and "less spending" are not mutually exclusive, and that less spending would in itself be change.
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What is there worth conserving? I think that the answer to the original question is a military putsch, if you have the connections.
 
iolo said:
What is there worth conserving? I think that the answer to the original question is a military putsch, if you have the connections.
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The great irony in contemporary America is that regressive policies will result in progress.
 
You ask what there is to preserve...? A lot in my opinion! I have a great life, its been much better since I fired my corporate boss and then my non-corporate boss. Corporations limit freedom much more than any government for most working people, but truly, almost all Americans could make as much money or more by throwing off the large corporate boss and doing whatever they do on there own. Talk about a tax, the amount your company takes from what you are earning for them? Its huge. At one time I was billing out at $375 an hour and being paid something like $65 an hour. And for that privilege I had to be at work on time, had to wear a tie, had to kiss ass, could not do things my way, had someone looking over my shoulder, got yelled at, and was expected to bring in enough business to justify my salary.

I finally realized, it took a lot of time and many incarnations of my career, that the one effecting my freedom and limiting my success was my corporation. Now I own the corporation, I go to work when I want, I only wear a tie to court, don't kiss ass, do things my way, have nobody to look over my shoulder and if anyone yells at me I fire that client, and my pay now is directly related to how much business I bring in. I work less and get paid a lot more.

For me, I was oppressed much more by corporations than by my commitments to my government.
 
Jarod said:
It appears to me some of the conservatives cant express a like or dislike of a Republican candidate until the TEA PARTY tells them who to like.
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It would seem that you are an idiot, intent upon creating one of these threads every other week. The election is three years away. We don't even know everyone that is running yet. Add in the fact that you start threads like this repeatedly... how many times are you going to do so?

Let me guess, you just are obsessed with the tea party and in your ignorance, you think that because people won't discuss 10000 times with you who their choices are for an election three years away that means they are waiting on the tea party to tell them what to think?

Is that your 'logic' Garud?

You idiot... go chase an ambulance.
 
Jarod said:
Talk about a tax, the amount your company takes from what you are earning for them? Its huge. Now I own the corporation, I go to work when I want, I only wear a tie to court, don't kiss ass, do things my way, have nobody to look over my shoulder and if anyone yells at me I fire that client, and my pay now is directly related to how much business I bring in. I work less and get paid a lot more.

For me, I was oppressed much more by corporations than by my commitments to my government.
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So you prefer direct oppression rather than oppression by proxy?

How about *NO* oppression? Is that something worth aspiring to?
 
Jarod said:
You ask what there is to preserve...? A lot in my opinion! I have a great life, its been much better since I fired my corporate boss and then my non-corporate boss. Corporations limit freedom much more than any government for most working people, but truly, almost all Americans could make as much money or more by throwing off the large corporate boss and doing whatever they do on there own. Talk about a tax, the amount your company takes from what you are earning for them? Its huge. At one time I was billing out at $375 an hour and being paid something like $65 an hour. And for that privilege I had to be at work on time, had to wear a tie, had to kiss ass, could not do things my way, had someone looking over my shoulder, got yelled at, and was expected to bring in enough business to justify my salary.

I finally realized, it took a lot of time and many incarnations of my career, that the one effecting my freedom and limiting my success was my corporation. Now I own the corporation, I go to work when I want, I only wear a tie to court, don't kiss ass, do things my way, have nobody to look over my shoulder and if anyone yells at me I fire that client, and my pay now is directly related to how much business I bring in. I work less and get paid a lot more.

For me, I was oppressed much more by corporations than by my commitments to my government.
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This post is disturbing on a number of levels. The corporation you worked for did not limit your freedoms. You VOLUNTARILY chose to work for them. Just like you VOLUNTARILY chose to not work for them. Did they come back and say "no you have to work for us"? Could the corporation you worked for compel you to do something you didn't want to do?

Now, can the government compel you to do things you don't want to do?

Bottom line is this, Bill Gates with all of his billions can do nothing to me without the help of the gobblement. I choose to buy his products (I do not use any Windows products) and he can't do anything about it unless of course he uses the power of the gobblement.

The really surprising thing is that you somehow thought it was wrong for you to have to bring in enough work to justify your salary. It is like you thought you were just owed a job. Are you saying that if you would hire people that can't justify their salaries? Fine. Go out and hire 1,000 people today. Who cares if you can't justify their salaries. You have money and you should spend it.

It is astounding the level of idiocy someone like you who claims to be educated possesses. The really scary thing is that you think this passes for intellect. And there are people on this board who read this sophistry and get all "moisty" in their private places.

No wonder the country is going to hell
 
Taft2016 said:
So you prefer direct oppression rather than oppression by proxy?

How about *NO* oppression? Is that something worth aspiring to?
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I prefer no oppression. I don't feel any oppression by the Federal Government. The only government I feel any oppression from is my Town with issues relating to building permits and traffic enforcement.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
now you're a 1%er.....
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I was very surprised to see when I looked it up the other day, while doing my taxes for 2013 that I am, barely but I based on earning I am in the 1%. I would never have gotten there working for a corporation.

Now, I am not a 1% based on what I have, earning and inheriting are two very different things.
 
Teflon Don said:
This post is disturbing on a number of levels. The corporation you worked for did not limit your freedoms. You VOLUNTARILY chose to work for them. Just like you VOLUNTARILY chose to not work for them. Did they come back and say "no you have to work for us"? Could the corporation you worked for compel you to do something you didn't want to do?

Now, can the government compel you to do things you don't want to do?

Bottom line is this, Bill Gates with all of his billions can do nothing to me without the help of the gobblement. I choose to buy his products (I do not use any Windows products) and he can't do anything about it unless of course he uses the power of the gobblement.

The really surprising thing is that you somehow thought it was wrong for you to have to bring in enough work to justify your salary. It is like you thought you were just owed a job. Are you saying that if you would hire people that can't justify their salaries? Fine. Go out and hire 1,000 people today. Who cares if you can't justify their salaries. You have money and you should spend it.

It is astounding the level of idiocy someone like you who claims to be educated possesses. The really scary thing is that you think this passes for intellect. And there are people on this board who read this sophistry and get all "moisty" in their private places.

No wonder the country is going to hell
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You made two different points here... one valid the other not valid Ill address them both.

1. You are correct that I did not have to work for the corporation. I did not realize that until I was older and thank God I did. However, I did not inherit enough money to afford to start my own business. I was 29 before I got out of school and was almost $100,000 in debt. I delayed having a family for this reason. At the time I did not have the experience to start a law practice. I went to work for the government until I realized I was not making any progress on my debt, but instead I was losing ground. I went to work for a corporation at that point. I was gaining on my debt and fell in love so I started a family. Leaving that corporate job was scary, but because my wife and I had BOTH made money in the housing boom and had sold our properties, we had some $ in the bank. I got lucky with the timing of the real estate crash by being fully divested at the time of the crash. That extra $45,000 and the support of my wife who worked full time gave me the chance to get out of the corporate oppression. You should have seen how angry some of the heads of the corporation were at me when I quit. They filed several lawsuits against me trying to prevent me from working in my field and trying to get financial judgements against me. The Corporation tried to make it impossible for me to leave and have a future in the law. I won all of those lawsuits, two of the three were dismissed, the other I won at trial. Under the old healthcare system, it was impossible for me to get insured without working for a corporation, I was repeatedly denied for having had high cholesterol. I went years without insurance. By the grace of God I did not get sick, my wife worked for a corporation so she and the kids were covered. Her corporation did not cover spouses. You see, even at this time, my family's health was dependent upon one of us being willing to work for a corporation. Finally the PCIP (a part of Obamacare) came into existence and I was able to buy personal insurance.

2. All employees should justify their jobs, I was not saying otherwise. I was justifying my job by billing over $680,000 a year. They wanted me to also bring in the business. They wanted me to do the work they brought in, bill more than 10 times my salary and bring in work myself, all at a huge percent profit for them, simply because they had inherited enough money from their parents to have started the firm. To me that is more than justifying your job. When I left, it cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars, and all kinds of efforts were made to force, convince, trick me to stay.
 
I started this thread because I cant really see a viable Republican candidate at this point. I was hoping someone could come up with one. Palin was the best they could do. She could not even serve a full term as Governor of Alaska.
 
Granule said:
That's not our program, goat worshipper. Now get your ass back to the inner cities. It's your turn to keep black voters, err, black people oppressed and in the projects.
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You make these statements but never give any solutions of how you would end urban blight.

I would be interested in inowing your solutions for the cities such as Detroit. Thanks
 
Jarod said:
You made two different points here... one valid the other not valid Ill address them both.

1. You are correct that I did not have to work for the corporation. I did not realize that until I was older and thank God I did. However, I did not inherit enough money to afford to start my own business. I was 29 before I got out of school and was almost $100,000 in debt. I delayed having a family for this reason. At the time I did not have the experience to start a law practice. I went to work for the government until I realized I was not making any progress on my debt, but instead I was losing ground. I went to work for a corporation at that point. I was gaining on my debt and fell in love so I started a family. Leaving that corporate job was scary, but because my wife and I had BOTH made money in the housing boom and had sold our properties, we had some $ in the bank. I got lucky with the timing of the real estate crash by being fully divested at the time of the crash. That extra $45,000 and the support of my wife who worked full time gave me the chance to get out of the corporate oppression. You should have seen how angry some of the heads of the corporation were at me when I quit. They filed several lawsuits against me trying to prevent me from working in my field and trying to get financial judgements against me. The Corporation tried to make it impossible for me to leave and have a future in the law. I won all of those lawsuits, two of the three were dismissed, the other I won at trial. Under the old healthcare system, it was impossible for me to get insured without working for a corporation, I was repeatedly denied for having had high cholesterol. I went years without insurance. By the grace of God I did not get sick, my wife worked for a corporation so she and the kids were covered. Her corporation did not cover spouses. You see, even at this time, my family's health was dependent upon one of us being willing to work for a corporation. Finally the PCIP (a part of Obamacare) came into existence and I was able to buy personal insurance.

2. All employees should justify their jobs, I was not saying otherwise. I was justifying my job by billing over $680,000 a year. They wanted me to also bring in the business. They wanted me to do the work they brought in, bill more than 10 times my salary and bring in work myself, all at a huge percent profit for them, simply because they had inherited enough money from their parents to have started the firm. To me that is more than justifying your job. When I left, it cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars, and all kinds of efforts were made to force, convince, trick me to stay.
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Oh, and they threatened suit against me for simply having told one of their employees how I was able to do what I did.
 
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