Dunn trial begins in Florida

Jarod said:
Looks like they are close to a verdict...

they just asked two questions...

can we have a 30 min break?

and Can we come back with a verdict on some counts and no verdict on others?

The judge answered yes to both questions.
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But added, that no verdict may result in a mistrial.
 
can someone give me NON-BIASED cliffnotes of this case?

What are both sides claiming?

What is the available evidence?
 
Darla said:
I saw it this morning on the news. The guy appears to feel nothing, he's whacked.
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i wouldn't feel anything either If I felt I was in the right. That isn't to say he IS in the right, I don't know anything about this case.

But would you expect a woman who almost been raped before shooting her attacker to feel guilty the next day about killing her assaulter?

When someone says "they have zero remose they must be a sociopath" what one is really doing is projecting their own beliefs onto the situation.
 
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can someone give me NON-BIASED cliffnotes of this case?

What are both sides claiming?

What is the available evidence?
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Dunn after attending a wedding and 3 or 4 drinks pulls into a station to purchase wine and chips to take back to hotel room. Car next to a Dunn playing loud music. Dunn asks them to turn it down, driver complies, but then Jordan Davis tells his friend "fuck that, turn it up" or something to that effect. Further words were exchanged and Dunn saying he felt threatened, claims Jordan threatened to kill him and got out of car, opens fire on vehicle which was leaving the station, Jordan was hit and killed. Dunn claims to have seen a barrel of a gun or a stick or some type of weapon and that is why he opened fire.

Driver if car stated that he did not hear the confrontation but it was heated and Jordan did not leave the vehicle.

Fiancé of Dunn claims he did not mention a gun when they left station and returned to hotel room where they ordered pizza before leaving the hotel and returning home.

When they reached home Dunn made a call to the police identifying himself as the shooter.

Those are the details I know.

I tried to be unbiased.
 
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Sardonic said:
Further words were exchanged and Dunn saying he felt threatened, claims Jirdan threatened to kill him and hit out if car, opens fire on vehicle which was leaving the station, Jordan was hit and killed. Dunn claims to have seen a barrel of a gun or a stick or some type of weapon and that is why he opened fire. Driver if car stated that he did not hear the confrontation but it was heated and Jordan did not leave the vehicle.
I tried to be unbiased.
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Now try it in English. :rofl2:
 
Sardonic said:
Dunn after attending a wedding and 3 or 4 drinks pulls into a station to purchase wine and chips to take back to hotel room. Car next to a Dunn playing loud music. Dunn asks them to turn it down, driver complies, but then Jordan Davis tells his friend "fuck that, turn it up" or something to that effect. Further words were exchanged and Dunn saying he felt threatened, claims Jordan threatened to kill him and got out of car, opens fire on vehicle which was leaving the station, Jordan was hit and killed. Dunn claims to have seen a barrel of a gun or a stick or some type of weapon and that is why he opened fire.

Driver if car stated that he did not hear the confrontation but it was heated and Jordan did not leave the vehicle.

Fiancé of Dunn claims he did not mention a gun when they left station and returned to hotel room where they ordered pizza before leaving the hotel and returning home.

When they reached home Dunn made a call to the police identifying himself as the shooter.

Those are the details I know.

I tried to be unbiased.
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ok he's screwed. I guess jury is probably deciding on the attempted murder charges as well or something like that. (i started catching up on this case recentl)

but man, his wife to be really hung him out to dry on this one O_O
 
Big Money said:
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Nearly seven months after a jury acquitted George Zimmerman, whose shooting of an unarmed black teenager made him synonymous with Florida’s Stand Your Ground law, the state’s latest drama involving a fatal burst of gunfire and a claim of self-defense began to play out Thursday in a courtroom.


A prosecutor and a defense lawyer presented divergent theories about the motive for what took place at a convenience store.


Assistant State Attorney John Guy, who was part of the team that prosecuted Zimmerman last year, portrayed Michael Dunn who killed Jordan Davis as “fueled by anger” after hearing what he described to his fiancée as “thug music.”


Cory Strolla, Dunn’s lawyer, said that Dunn had been compelled to act and pulled a handgun from the glove compartment of his car only after he felt endangered.


“Jordan Davis threatened Michael Dunn,” Strolla told the sequestered group of 16 jurors.


Strolla added: “He was getting out of the car with a weapon after telling Dunn, ‘You’re dead.’ ” According to Strolla, Davis also used an expletive during that exchange.


Officials retrieved what a prosecutor described as a "pocketknife" from Davis.


Strolla never invoked Stand Your Ground during his opening statement, centered on a shooting he called “tragic.” But he made it clear that he believed Florida law offered Dunn legal cover.


“Michael Dunn had every right under the law to not be a victim,” Strolla said.




http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/07/us/trial-brings-new-scrutiny-of-self-defense-laws.html
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They both look like total assholes.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
You said you watched the live feed of the trial, what do you think Jarod.

You think the jury will convict or find him innocent?
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IDK, I can never guess a jury, I gave up a long time ago. I suspect from the question they are going to convict on the attempted murder and mistry the murder.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I think that's because by mid day a consensus has been built and the juror are doing their civic duty and scrutinizing the details before they finalize their decisions.
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I think its because they dont want to come back on Saturday. But this jury did!
 
Doppelganger said:
ok he's screwed. I guess jury is probably deciding on the attempted murder charges as well or something like that. (i started catching up on this case recentl)

but man, his wife to be really hung him out to dry on this one O_O
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Honesty, its a rare quality
 
obviously this case has nothing to do with the zimmerman case but the media of course can't help themselves.
 
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