What's so bad about what Donald Trump said?

Rana said:
Trump's popularity is based on ignorance and nothing more. Most people aren't fully aware of what Obama and his administration are doing to address ISIS, they just want the George Bush approach or the nuclear solution for the ME, anything short of that is perceived as weak by the simple minded.
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Ahh, so they aren't aware Obama said ISIS is just a JV team and now they are a major threat? They aren't aware Obama said ISIS was contained and then the Paris attacked occurred? They aren't aware Obama said ISIS can't hit us here and then we get San Bernardino?

I'd argue people are well aware of that. It's why his poll numbers on foreign policy and handling terrorism are what they are and it extends well beyond Trump voters.
 
cawacko said:
Ahh, so they aren't aware Obama said ISIS is just a JV team and now they are a major threat? They aren't aware Obama said ISIS was contained and then the Paris attacked occurred? They aren't aware Obama said ISIS can't hit us here and then we get San Bernardino?

I'd argue people are well aware of that. It's why his poll numbers on foreign policy and handling terrorism are what they are and it extends well beyond Trump voters.
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Besides killing citizens in Paris, what did ISIS gain and how did this attack make them stronger? Were they able to take over an area of Paris? Besides killing 14 people in San Bernadino, what did ISIS achieve by this attack, do they control an area of San Bernadino? Exactly, how did these attacks make ISIS stronger?
 
christiefan915 said:
Tell me, then. You're a reasonable person and I listen to what you say.
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A lot of it comes down to rhetoric and the perception of Obama not willing to call out Islamic terrorism for what it is. On top of that is his almost dislike of American power. I preface this next comment by saying I do not like Ted Cruz. He made a comment the other day that caught me by surprise regarding foreign policy. He said we can't be weak like Obama has us but we can't follow the neo-cons and put our troops on the ground all over the world. He was calling Rubio too hawkish. And if you've been following the Republican Primary Cruz's strategy is to somewhat mirror Trump and try to pick off his voters if Trump falls off or drops out.

So from what I've read/seen from the right I don't see a push to put troops on the ground in Syria. Not to say someone couldn't bring it up in the future but haven't seen it yet.
 
Rana said:
Besides killing citizens in Paris, what did ISIS gain and how did this attack make them stronger? Were they able to take over an area of Paris? Besides killing 14 people in San Bernadino, what did ISIS achieve by this attack, do they control an area of San Bernadino? Exactly, how did these attacks make ISIS stronger?
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You're basically asking if terrorism works or why use terrorism. ISIS's goal is to obviously recruit more people to join them. Do you think they aren't happy when they see sympathizers like those in San Bernardino do what they did?
 
cawacko said:
Ok, I made reference to that in my comment to Rana. But your proposed different approach is to alienate all those who we get our intelligence from and need to help us fight ISIS? Who are we going to turn to now, France?
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You're assuming it would aleinate them when it might motivate them. I'm not seeing where the status quo is all that great.

Maybe when enough of the Muslims in Muslim country X get sufficiently pissed because they can't get here their leaders will be more forthcoming with intelligence...or even better yet, crack down on the radical mosques within their borders.

Trump would call that applying some leverage in the deal.
 
cawacko said:
You're basically asking if terrorism works or why use terrorism. ISIS's goal is to obviously recruit more people to join them. Do you think they aren't happy when they see sympathizers like those in San Bernardino do what they did?
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By attacking the US and France they may have gained more recruits but they may have also created more enemies with the attack. It goes both ways.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
You're assuming it would aleinate them when it might motivate them. I'm not seeing where the status quo is all that great.

Maybe when enough of the Muslims in Muslim country X get sufficiently pissed because they can't get here their leaders will be more forthcoming with intelligence...or even better yet, crack down on the radical mosques within their borders.

Trump would call that applying some leverage in the deal.
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And they're going to do that because the U.S. banned Muslims?
 
Rana said:
By attacking the US and France they may have gained more recruits but they may have also created more enemies with the attack. It goes both ways.
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I don't think more enemies bothers them. In fact in terms of recruitment I'm sure they like it.
 
The ISIS leaders are out preaching daily that the West HATES all Muslims and is out to get them, out to end their way of life and that violence is the only answer to this threat.

They are trying to win the hearts and minds of enough Muslims to keep their armed insurgency going. We don't need our candidates or elected officials giving them a basis for their false argument.
 
cawacko said:
I'll give you a couple of reasons.

It's against the principles America was founded on and is most likely unconstitutional.

At the end of the day it's likely to make us more unsafe than it is to help. We rely on Muslim countries to help us fight ISIS. Most of our intelligence in the area comes from Muslims. You can't say we want/need your help while at the same time saying fvck you. Listen to what our counter intelligence agents are saying the negative effects his comments have already had.

The topper is when Trump says it would be enforced by immigration agents asking if people are Muslim.

What's unfortunate is we all lose here. Obama is too soft and uses this weak rhetoric which allows for someone like to Trump to demagogue all around. Not good for the country.
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At least you acknowledge Obummers weakness.

Saying we need/want your help while at the same time saying fuck you, is what all the countries in the ME do to us.
 
evince said:
because its unconstitutional and antithetical to everything America stands for.



sociopaths have a hard time understanding how to treat their fellow man.


thank you for telling us all your a sociopath
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You mean like Muslims?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
That's a familiar pattern with the Trump heresies lol.

Basically, it boils down to a moratorium but everyone gets their PC panties in a wad over it instead of actually paying attention to what it really means.

Also, the tired 'it's against our values' objection is pretty weak when the first 'value' our leaders need to consider is protecting innocent Americans.
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Like Liberals give 2 shits about our values. They hate this country and want it "fundamentally changed."
 
Irish said:
At least you acknowledge Obummers weakness.

Saying we need/want your help while at the same time saying fuck you, is what all the countries in the ME do to us.
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Would you like to share when I haven't acknowledged Obama's weakness?

So is your argument to completely disengage from the Middle East and let what happens happen and then we'll deal with the remains?
 
iewitness said:
what Donald trump said that the whole world is flipping out about is the most sensible, reasonable, responsible thing anyone has said since September 11th, 2001. I remember the damned u.s. gov. pres. gwb saying that islam is a religion of peace and that lie has been floated by most every damned politician since then. islam is the religion of hell. islam is the religion that claims peace after all infidels, according to the false prophet mohammed [damned forever] have been murdered and all humans are subjugated under the rule of Lucifer/ allah/ [satan]. the part that trump said that has me scratching my head in unbelief ; is the part when he said " until we figure what the hell is going on ". if he does not know what the hell is going on and if anyone does not know what the hell is going on; they are obviously ordained to be dhimmis.
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I'm not sure how you can call it a religion of peace, when one of their main tenets from the Quran is to "kill all non-believers." Just because some Muslims don't follow that portion, doesn't make the religion peaceful. IT's a murderous death cult.
 
Irish said:
I'm not sure how you can call it a religion of peace, when one of their main tenets from the Quran is to "kill all non-believers." Just because some Muslims don't follow that portion, doesn't make the religion peaceful. IT's a murderous death cult.
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Your allegation is simply false information spread by those who want to cause hate and fear.
 
cawacko said:
Would you like to share when I haven't acknowledged Obama's weakness?

So is your argument to completely disengage from the Middle East and let what happens happen and then we'll deal with the remains?
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I would like those who want to engage ISIS in the ME by putting boots on the ground to explain how it will help with the attacks that happened in the US and Paris. thanks
 
evince said:
anyone who is confused at why its bad to say "as Americans we will not let you in our country if your believe X " has no idea what freedom is an why its important.



they are shitty citizens here just to get what they cant get from a free society and don't fucking care about retaining freedom.




they dont understand the quote "a republic if you can keep it".


they dont understand why that quote was remembered by the people
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What good is freedom if you're dead.
 
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