The Christ Haters Are At It Again Folks.

Taichiliberal said:
Oh put your skirt down and wipe the spittle off your chin, bunky.

To date, no one is preventing you from attending the church of your choice or worshiping how you deem fit. No one is preventing you from personally saying MERRY CHRISTMAS to anyone. And last time I checked, the midnight mass is still broadcasted on MSM affiliates throughout the country, various department and food store chains still blare the usual Christmas theme music with the word "christmas" in it. this will go on until December 26th.

Get a grip.
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Your ally read me wants the government to remove a cross on a community tree put there by community citizens who want to put Christ back into Christmas. You're doing what all you Christ hating secularists do when you're exposed, you poo poo it then act innocent.
 
Jarod said:
I tried, they all promote a false version of Christ designed to enrich themselves.
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Counselor, don't you want clergy to teach that queer sex is perfectly normal and that queers are all victims of homophobic Christians?

Isn't that your true version of human Jesus the social worker?
 
domer76 said:
Good luck on that. The rulings and precedents have already been set. Try that kind of bullshit and you open the door to EVERY religion for their holidays. And you moron "Christians" can't stand that.
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Big changes are coming and none of you Christ haters have any right to force community citizens from removing a cross atop a community Christmas tree .. none.
 
philly rabbit said:
Big changes are coming and none of you Christ haters have any right to force community citizens from removing a cross atop a community Christmas tree .. none.
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That IS an establishment of Christianity as being the religion of the government.

One catch here is that there is a constant onslaught of these cases. Sames sex marriage, choice, teachers teaching religion, the assault on science/logic, etc.

So, don't feel like the issue is that cross. That cross is just part of a whole constellation of government actions Christians want to see, but that must be opposed as per our constitution.
 
philly rabbit said:
Your people suffered a crushing defeat in the national election. I will predict that next Christmas time, there will be a cross atop that community tree. Donald Trump has made it one of his major campaign pledges to restore religious liberties to we the people and those community people have a perfect right to put Christ back in Christmas with the cross atop the tree. In fact, to your dismay, there's going to be plenty of crosses on community trees and other christian symbols on community displays right in your face.

You've had the federal government and the ACLU on your side as you try to completely secularize Christmas with your Christ hating but what you have failed to take into account is the army of lawyers on ours, both houses of congress controlled by republicans, a Christian friendly Trump in the white house and a department of justice supporting all those lawyers I just mentioned who will all go after you on free speech grounds and not necessarily free religious expression grounds. Whatever works but it will work.

You and your secular Christ hating pals had better enjoy yourselves while you still can. Major changes are coming.
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Everything that was once fun and festive around the holidays has been stripped and called out by the PC Police, who work day and night looking for ways to stick it to the religions celebrating Christmas.

It's always the practices that bring families and loved ones together that the Liberals try to find fault with.

All we have to do is look to the deterioration of the family and the subsequent problems in our country that stem from it to see where a good start should be to get us back on track, if that is even possible anymore.



I will continue to say "Merry Christmas" and if people don't like it, then lump it.
 
domer76 said:
Good luck on that. The rulings and precedents have already been set. Try that kind of bullshit and you open the door to EVERY religion for their holidays. And you moron "Christians" can't stand that.
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Once Trump appoints a SC Justice or two, some of those "rulings and precedents" may just get another review.

The first Amendment states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

What it doesn't say, is what you think it does.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Once Trump appoints a SC Justice or two, some of those "rulings and precedents" may just get another review.

The first Amendment states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

What it doesn't say, is what you think it does.
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No, it says the government can make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

And, the courts have long seen that as applying direction to government displays (statues, icons, displays, prayer, etc.).

That's been open and shut for a LONG time.
 
WillReadmore said:
No, I fully got what you said. It is you that are having a reading problem.

I didn't ever accuse you of not obeying the law or intending not to obey the law. Nowhere have I said ANYTHING like that. We have a long history of civil disobedience in the US, and it's obvious that you may take part in that. I don't object to THAT, either.


What I have stuck to is the issue of religion attempting to create law where the only justification for the law is ... religion.

And, I pointed to same sex marriage as an example. The only objections to same sex marriage are PURELY religious. Scalia and the rest demanded that there be law against same sex couples - purely because of personal religious beliefs.

Read Scalia's dissent in Lawrence v Texas. He stated flat out that once sexual behavior between consenting couples became legal, there was no remaining justification for denying marriage to same sex couples - since religion is not a sufficient justification.

In fact, that is a clear statement that his subsequent findings against same sex marriage were simply more cases of Scalia being an activist judge, making law from the bench when even HE knew there was no constitutional foundation.



I think you got confused when I pointed out that this tactic of modern religious extremists in the US was of NO INTEREST to Jesus.
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Look...you stick with your beliefs and delivering your message to government regarding what you want and Christians will stick to theirs, OK? Stop trying to figure out what we want why we want it and how we want it. Just enjoy your agenda and proceed as you wish. And, we will with ours. We both have the right to do that. You do not understand and want to know why we believe as we do, so let it be. Enough people have already answered you, but you are not satisfied, again let it be. On the other hand you'll never hear any of us wanting to know why you pursue your message and agenda......that's because we already know the answer and don't need to ask you any questions. Leave it be. Peace.
 
WillReadmore said:
No, it says the government can make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

And, the courts have long seen that as applying direction to government displays (statues, icons, displays, prayer, etc.).

That's been open and shut for a LONG time.
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And it will probably be REOPENED.

:dealwithit:
 
Stretch said:
Look...you stick with your beliefs and delivering your message to government regarding what you want and Christians will stick to theirs, OK? Stop trying to figure out what we want why we want it and how we want it. Just enjoy your agenda and proceed as you wish. And, we will with ours. We both have the right to do that. You do not understand and want to know why we believe as we do, so let it be. Enough people have already answered you, but you are not satisfied, again let it be. On the other hand you'll never hear any of us wanting to know why you pursue your message and agenda......that's because we already know the answer and don't need to ask you any questions. Leave it be. Peace.
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The constitution forms a framework concerning what is legal for government to attempt to do.

When you ask government to do stuff that is unconstitutional, you will find me and many others opposed to that direction.

Also, I know your belief. The Bible lays it out. I've read the Bible and studied Christianity well enough that you haven't been able to find issues with what I've said regarding Christianity and the Bible.

AND, I'm not opposed to you holding your belief. You won't find me arguing about the existence of heaven, etc. Well, there are some religious points I find interesting to discuss, but that has nothing to do with our government. We have no way to resolve this issue of whether there is a god of any particular type, and that realm must be left to individuals.


But, as per this thread, I DO oppose the use of your belief as a justification for law that applies to people in America ("people" being more broad than "citizens"). Our law is NOT based on the Bible, and it is counter to our constitution to start accepting the Bible, the Qur'an, or other religious works as the basis for law.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Once Trump appoints a SC Justice or two, some of those "rulings and precedents" may just get another review.

The first Amendment states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

What it doesn't say, is what you think it does.
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Great. I'd love it. Watching you stupid fucks shit yourselves over Muslim holidays and displays on government property will be a hoot.
 
WillReadmore said:
No, it says the government can make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

And, the courts have long seen that as applying direction to government displays (statues, icons, displays, prayer, etc.).

That's been open and shut for a LONG time.
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No, it does not say "government" - it says Congress. So, municipal governments are perfectly within their rights to hold Christmas tree lightings and to erect crosses over cemeteries and memorials.
 
Threedee said:
No, it does not say "government" - it says Congress. So, municipal governments are perfectly within their rights to hold Christmas tree lightings and to erect crosses over cemeteries and memorials.
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Well, perhaps the best way forward here would be for you to propose a supreme court case that demonstrates your point.

I doubt we can litigate all the complexities here, but we might be able to discuss an actual court case where the footwork has already been done by experts.
 
WillReadmore said:
Well, perhaps the best way forward here would be for you to propose a supreme court case that demonstrates your point.

I doubt we can litigate all the complexities here, but we might be able to discuss an actual court case where the footwork has already been done by experts.
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Just wait until Trump appoints not only the next SC Justice; but maybe 2 or 3. :D
 
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