More Troops to Afghan

Darth Omar said:
If scale trumps principle you wonder about the principle.

Or if it's even a principle.
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It's a bit insulting for you to try to debate me on principle. That's like a pizza shop softball team going up against the late '90's Yankees.

Anyhoo, I'm just talking about media coverage. Not about how people felt. Every anti-war lefty I knew opposed Libya, and Obama lost a lot of our votes because of it (and I can guarantee you - nothing Trump or probably any Republican can do would ever cost them your vote).

The media will devote more coverage to a larger war, and less coverage to a smaller war. Welcome to Journalism 101.
 
Thing1 said:
It's a bit insulting for you to try to debate me on principle. That's like a pizza shop softball team going up against the late '90's Yankees.

Anyhoo, I'm just talking about media coverage. Not about how people felt. Every anti-war lefty I knew opposed Libya, and Obama lost a lot of our votes because of it (and I can guarantee you - nothing Trump or probably any Republican can do would ever cost them your vote).

The media will devote more coverage to a larger war, and less coverage to a smaller war. Welcome to Journalism 101.
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Understandably, wingnuts who are now posing as flower waving, peacenik Trumtards are having a hard time coming to terms with the fact they were cheerleaders for the Iraq War Disaster.

Iraq and Libya? No comparison. Not even remotely comparable.

Iraq was an illegal war, waged without international legitimacy, a war based on lies and deceptions. A war against a non-existent threat. A war that destabilized the Middle East. A war that cost the American taxpayer trillions of dollars, with no tangible benefit to Americans.

Libya: NATO-led, NATO-approved, waged with international legitimacy, and largely with NATO air forces, no American invasion, no American boots on the ground, no costly and bloody occupation involving the American Army. And as far as I can tell, there was not a concerted propaganda effort using lies and deception to sell the intervention.
 
Thing1 said:
It's a bit insulting for you to try to debate me on principle. That's like a pizza shop softball team going up against the late '90's Yankees.

Anyhoo, I'm just talking about media coverage. Not about how people felt. Every anti-war lefty I knew opposed Libya, and Obama lost a lot of our votes because of it (and I can guarantee you - nothing Trump or probably any Republican can do would ever cost them your vote).

The media will devote more coverage to a larger war, and less coverage to a smaller war. Welcome to Journalism 101.
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It's insulting that you'd presume to lecture me about journalism when you wouldn't know media bias if it bit you in the hindquarters.

You have anecdotal evidence of lefty outrage over Libya.

That's fine.
 
Cypress said:
Understandably, wingnuts who are now posing as flower waving, peacenik Trumtards are having a hard time coming to terms with the fact they were cheerleaders for the Iraq War Disaster.

Iraq and Libya? No comparison. Not even remotely comparable.

Iraq was an illegal war, waged without international legitimacy, a war based on lies and deceptions. A war against a non-existent threat. A war that destabilized the Middle East. A war that cost the American taxpayer trillions of dollars, with no tangible benefit to Americans.

Libya: NATO-led, NATO-approved, waged with international legitimacy, and largely with NATO air forces, no American invasion, no American boots on the ground, no costly and bloody occupation involving the American Army. And as far as I can tell, there was not a concerted propaganda effort using lies and deception to sell the intervention.
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absolutely there was. The so called Massacre at Bengazi by Qadaffi's troops was one Big Lie
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False pretense for war in Libya
http://archive.boston.com/bostonglo...s/2011/04/14/false_pretense_for_war_in_libya/
EVIDENCE IS now in that President Barack Obama grossly exaggerated the humanitarian threat to justify military action in Libya. The president claimed that intervention was necessary to prevent a “bloodbath’’ in Benghazi, Libya’s second-largest city and last rebel stronghold.

Human Rights Watch has released data on Misurata, the next-biggest city in Libya and scene of protracted fighting, revealing that Moammar Khadafy is not deliberately massacring civilians but rather narrowly targeting the armed rebels who fight against his government.

Obama insisted that prospects were grim without intervention.
“If we waited one more day, Benghazi . . . could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world.’’ Thus, the president concluded, “preventing genocide’’
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justified US military action.

But intervention did not prevent genocide, because no such bloodbath was in the offing. To the contrary, by emboldening rebellion, US interference has prolonged Libya’s civil war and the resultant suffering of innocents.
 
Darth Omar said:
It's insulting that you'd presume to lecture me about journalism when you wouldn't know media bias if it bit you in the hindquarters.

You have anecdotal evidence of lefty outrage over Libya.

That's fine.
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I never saw any demonstrations against Libyan intervention and I was looking.
I'm sure there were anecdotals - Code Pink.. I'm just as sure the "anti-war left" was AWOL.

They never questioned Obama or Hillary, they swallowed it without a peep of protest in the USA.
In fact some Democrats took umbrage at the fact Libyan war was being questioned at all!

Here is all the "anti-war left" I can find.
(It should be noted both Germany and Russia would not sign onto the UN resolution)

Small group of protesters demonstrate outside Downing Street calling for end to military intervention in Libya
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/20/anti-war-protests-libya-air-strikes

The disgust and anger felt by those opposing the air strikes was spelled out by MP Jeremy Corbyn and former MP George Galloway, the chair of CND, Kate Hudson, and the convenor of the Stop the War Coalition, Lindsey German.

"The stench of hypocrisy around this war is unbelievable," said Corbyn.

"This war is about oil, control and a message to the rest of the world and region that we can do it if we want to. I fear we will soon be involved in a ground war, the partition of Libya and the theft of that country's oil and resources.

"What is even more worrying is the fact that David Cameron ignored my request, in the House of Commons ... for assurance that cluster bombs and depleted uranium weapons would not be used," he added. "This is not peace. Let there be no mistake. This is war."

Hudson agreed, calling the attacks "utterly reprehensible". Galloway predicted that the air strikes would cost the Libyans "hundreds of thousands of lives and even more livelihoods ... just as the shock and awe savagery has in Baghdad
 
Thing1 said:
It's a bit insulting for you to try to debate me on principle. That's like a pizza shop softball team going up against the late '90's Yankees.

Anyhoo, I'm just talking about media coverage. Not about how people felt. Every anti-war lefty I knew opposed Libya, and Obama lost a lot of our votes because of it (and I can guarantee you - nothing Trump or probably any Republican can do would ever cost them your vote).

The media will devote more coverage to a larger war, and less coverage to a smaller war. Welcome to Journalism 101.
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the media are running dogs for most wars, and especially for Democrats. It was barely covered at all.
Obama dismissed it as a "kinetic military action" and almost all of Congress ( except Rand Paul) let it slide under the War Powers Act.
After the war the media didn't even look a the aftermath

The media were running dogs for Iraq too; jingoistic yellow ribbons instead of any debate -why even go there?
 
Corazón said:
In other words true but I hate admit it!
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this "anti-war left"-where did it speak out on stopping the Libyan 2011 war?
Aside from a small demonstration in England (Britain) there wasn't any protests here.

I do not know where Thing gets this "universal" protest meme from
 
noise said:
this "anti-war left"-where did it speak out on stopping the Libyan 2011 war?
Aside from a small demonstration in England (Britain) there wasn't any protests here.

I do not know where Thing gets this "universal" protest meme from
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Thousands in NY on 4/12/11. Thousands outside the WH on 7/9/11. Oh, hey - thousands more on 8/2/11 in Washington.

And they are all on youtube. Look 'em up if you want to feel like a fool.

There were many. You guys just have blinders on. Oh - and my claim that you'd be posting like a madman if Hillary was doing this is 100% fact.

Grow up, anatta.
 
well I give you credit for finding them, they were never mainstream, never a weekend march that I can find, and by small groups like A.N.S.W.E.R., and they were part of a mixed bag..
The demonstration in Washingtonmerged varied causes, including protesters demanding a U.S. military withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan as well as those supporting Bradley Manning, the jailed Army private suspected of giving classified documents to the website WikiLeaks.There was little talk at the D.C. protest of the U.S. missile strikes against Moammar Gadhafi's forces in Libya on Saturday, part of an international effort to protect rebel forces.http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/19/anti-war-protesters-arrested-near-white-house.html
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they look to be in the hundreds.

They were at the beginning of the war- but they exist so I retract nobody,but it was far from "universal"..
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as to Afghanistan..I have no problem with whack a mole or counter-terrorism.
Bidens idea to build the middle class, or Obama's surge/withdrawal or Bush's "spreading democracy"
was the problem

a couple thousand troops that work with the ANAF are simply part of counter-terrorism.
Trump has pulled money away from nationbuilding -which was always the problem
 
The Afghan Taliban overran two district centers in the east while Afghan forces regained control of another which has changed hands several times over the past year.

Afghan officials confirmed that the district of Zana Khan in Ghazni was overrun, while the Taliban claimed to have seized Gomal in Paktika province. Afghan officials then said that security forces regained control of Jani Khel in Paktia, however the Taliban has denied that claim.

A member of Ghazni’s provincial council said that the Taliban killed four policeman and confiscated two “tanks” (likely up-armored HUMVEEs) and several Ranger pickup trucks after storming the Zana Khan district center. Taliabn spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said that a Taliban force inflicted “multiple enemy casualties” and “lots of weapons/equipment seized” during the operation.

The Taliban claimed it “took over the center of the district of Gomal and its checkpoints in Paktika province during an intense fighting following an offensive last night.” While the Afghan press hasn’t reported on the status of Gomal, similar Taliban claims have proven highly accurate in the past.

In the neighboring province of Paktia, the Afghan military claimed it ousted the Taliban from the district of Jani Khel, which has alternated between government and Taliban control multiple times over the past year. The Taliban last overran the district two weeks ago and flaunted a large cache of weapons and ammunition taken from Afghan forces.

However, Taliban spokesman Mujahid claimed that Jani Khel is “under Mujahidin control” and the “enemy attack [was] repulsed.”

Over the past month, the Taliban has taken overrun eight districts centers. In addition to the three mentioned above, the Taliban has seized Khamab in Jawzjan, Ghormach and Kohistan (or Lolash) in Faryab, Taiwara in Ghor and Guzargah in Baghlan. Afghan forces have since retaken Kohistan and Taiwara, however these districts remain contested.
The Taliban continues to demonstrate that it can conduct concurrent operations across the country, while Afghan forces largely remain on the defensive.
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2017/08/taliban-overrun-2-districts-in-afghan-east.php
 
LittleThingy said:
More young Americans are going to die as a result of this action. The end.
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More young black Amricans have died in the liberal controlled urban slums of America than all the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Lying leftist assholes tend to shed crocodile tears for political purposes.
 
LittleThingy said:
It's a bit insulting for you to try to debate me on principle.
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That is true; you have no principles other than being a principled dumbfuck and your leftist lies are repugnant and moronic.

Let's say this; leftist liars were fine with Obama's foreign interventionism because he was.......a semi-BLACK man and to oppose him was wacist.

Trump; nothing he does will be okay because.....he hurts liberal snowflake feelings.

Let's face it; you're a dishonest leftist dumbfuck on steroids. There is no kind way to describe your insanity.
 
Truth Detector said:
More young black Amricans have died in the liberal controlled urban slums of America than all the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Lying leftist assholes tend to shed crocodile tears for political purposes.
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lol

From a racist fuck who celebrates black urban deaths.
 
DUMBER IQ76 said:
lol

From a racist fuck who celebrates black urban deaths.
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I'm not a racist, you lying ignorant race hustling dumbfuck. I have NEVER celebrated black urban deaths; another lie from an ignorant race hustling dumbfuck. What is it about you lying liberal fascists and your propensity to lie?
 
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