Bailey Holt. 15. Say her name NRA.

[USFREEDOM911]

Wrong again.

"a gun in the home was far more likely to be used to threaten a family member or intimate partner than to be used in self-defense."

http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...e_the_risk_of_homicide_accidents_suicide.html

"For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9715182/

"Guns kept in the home are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal unintentional shooting, criminal assault or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense."

http://lawcenter.giffords.org/guns-in-the-homesafe-storage-statistics/#footnote_1_6247

"If you have a gun, everybody in your home is more likely than your non-gun-owning neighbors and their families to die in a gun-related accident, suicide or homicide.
Furthermore, there is no credible evidence that having a gun in your house reduces your risk of being a victim of a crime. Nor does it reduce your risk of being injured during a home break-in."

https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/12/health-risk-having-gun-home

But you left out this essentially part of your whine: "A study from October 2013 analyzed data from 27 developed nations to examine the impact of firearm prevalence on the mortality rate." and want it to pertain to the US.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Your idiotic logic does away with ALL background checks then, you fucking idiot.

Untrue; because the background checks are not based on what they MIGHT do, but instead on what they already HAVE done.

 

[domer76]

More proof Dumber is a liar

Stalking little ankle biter lies again.

Start a thread on it, FOOLISS

 

[domer76]

Dumber lied he did not argue against might being bad... Now he supports the EO based solely on what someone might do...

What a Dumb Dumber

FOOLISS MO:

Miscomprehend
Twist
Distort
Lie

Predictable. Every time.

 

[domer76]

LOL

Another WHOOSH for the illiterate stalker

 

[Cancel 2018.2]

Untrue; because the background checks are not based on what they MIGHT do, but instead on what they already HAVE done.

Nice Dumber take down... Poor Dumber

 

[Cancel 2018.2]

The stupid troll can't be honest and admit the law is based solely on what someone MIGHT do.

 

[domer76]

Nice Dumber take down... Poor Dumber

Right. Such as things like DUI, writing bad checks or any number of other things TOTALLY unrelated to potential gun violence.

Speaking of the HAVE DONE, being formally diagnosed with a mental illness is just that.

Another swing and a miss by two illiterate barrel-strokers.

Low hanging fruit(s)

 

[domer76]

The stupid troll can't be honest and admit the law is based solely on what someone MIGHT do.

I'll repeat, your absurd logic rejects the entire premise of background checks.

That you fail to understand that simply demonstrates your terminal stupidity, FOOLISS.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Right. Such as things like DUI, writing bad checks or any number of other things TOTALLY unrelated to potential gun violence.

Speaking of the HAVE DONE, being formally diagnosed with a mental illness is just that.

Another swing and a miss by two illiterate barrel-strokers.

Low hanging fruit(s)

If you can't do the time, then don't do the crime.

 

[Abatis]

Morons like him don't even understand their rights, or what is being suggested to deal with these gun issues. They are all uppity about this issue, but when it comes to what women want to do with their bodies, many become spineless hypocrites on the infringing on rights part. They just swallow what personal gun interests tell them will be done, like some kind of obedient, and retarded marionette puppet.

Don't understand our rights?

At least I know that the right of abortion is directly dependent upon the recognition and respect for the right to arms.

Are you really that ignorant of the legal theory (penumbral rights) that found the right to privacy and thus the derivative rights of abortion, contraception and LGBTQ rights? You have no understanding that your hate and contempt for my right to arms allows the penumbral rights theory to be questioned, thrown into doubt and challenged?

How can one that believes themselves to be so enlightened be so dimwitted?

 

[Abatis]

He was bitching that his rights shouldn't be curtailed because of others. Reality must suck for him.

Yeah, only one was discussing real, constitutionally recognized and protected rights . . .

Those other "rights" (Bailey's parents' and siblings' right to have their daughter and sister / her grandparents' broken hearts) are not enforceable rights -- they only exist in the kooky minds of deluded leftists.

Even Bailey's "right to life" can only be respected by prosecuting the asshole that shot her . . . There is no other entity to be held liable, no government agent can be held responsible for not keeping her safe.

You leftists haven't a clue what rights are and upon who they are enforced.

 

[Abatis]

Then find a Thread you like ... and stop your bitching.

It's much more entertaining finding thread premises I vehemently disagree with.

 

[Abatis]

I'm sure that the irony of their own children being slaughtered because of policies they support, is lost on all the redneck parents in that town and across Kentucky, who vote Republican almost to a person.

I imagine your happiness with rednecks getting killed is only matched by rightwingers glee with millions of democrats being sucked out of their warm uteruses before they can vote. On any scorecard, your barbarians are far more efficient and effective at decimating your own than any redneck / repub / shooters . . .

 

[Abatis]

As if you give a fuck about blacks in Chicago. ;0) Hilarious.

Fuck Chicago. The Brothers in St Louis have wrested the crown from Chicago by a wide margin.

If the rest of the nation was murdered at the same rate as Blacks in St Louis (60/100K), there would be almost 200,000 murders a year.

It not that nobody gives a fuck, it's just easier to just agree that Blacks are always somebody else's victims.

Coddling their lack of self-respect placates them but of course, no problem ever gets solved.

 

[Abatis]

Pretty much all gunners are snarky and dismissive of our concerns. Why can't you guys try to understand our worries and address them without defaulting to the 2nd amendment?

As I've said to you before; what should be done is entirely dependent on what can be done.

You lefties spend an inordinate amount of time denigrating and dismissing the right to arms and demonizing people who support respecting the Constitution and you want to be treated with respect and have your "concerns" heard?

FUCK YOU.

You are an enemy and a usurper and honoring liberty demands you be marginalized and eliminated from being considered a competent, reasoned voice in any policy discussion.

 

[Abatis]

I don't agree at all. I'm sorry you missed the irony. Your right to own a gun, my right to own a gun -- is nothing compared to a person's right to have their life to live. These words from our shared history trump even those of our Constitution: "[all people are] endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

A gun violated Bailey's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.... because someone else chose to use his 2nd Amendment right to have a gun to violate hers.

Are you okay with that?

Really, just stop talking.

You know nothing about "rights" and their enforcement under law.

 

[RB 60]

Since we've gone off topic a bit on this thread, let me refer back to the OP and this pathetic post...

But Freedom! That's right -- the freedom to have more guns than human beings in this country outweighs Bailey's right to have a life. It outweighs Bailey's parents' and siblings' right to have their daughter and sister. It outweighs her grandparents' broken hearts.

People don't matter in America. Guns do.

Fuck you, NRA.

Now, just where has the NRA, or any NRA member for that matter, claim our right to own a gun "outweighs Bailey's right to have a life"?
Can any one of you name any organization who promotes and trains in firearm safety more than the NRA? Can any one of you cite one
instance where any NRA member has used a firearm in the commission of any crime? Why do you people hate those of us who take our
2nd. Amendment right seriously and responsibly and don't commit any firearm related crimes? Why do you blame us for the actions of others?
I don't see one post condemning the individual who committed this crime on one page of this thread, yet some here say this young girl's
"blood" is on "our" hands. You people just can't accept the fact that NRA members condemn the use of firearms in the commission of crime
just as much (even more actually), than any one of you here posting your hatred of us.

So, to use the words of one of the quoted individuals in this post, and I doubt I'm alone when I use YOUR quote to say
Fuck you, you arrogant Fowl bitch. You're no more part of the solution to the problem than the problem itself.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Really, just stop talking.

who are you and where have you been the last nine years?.....

 

[CFM]

Pretty much all gunners are snarky and dismissive of our concerns. Why can't you guys try to understand our worries and address them without defaulting to the 2nd amendment?

I understand your concerns and worries. I also, unlike you, understand that what you propose when it comes to situation like this simply won't work.

If the Constitution protects the right to bear arms, why is defaulting to it a problem. You left-winger quite often default to things that aren't in the Constitution in defending your support for all sorts of things. Your default to the "general welfare" clause is used to defend federal government action to do things that aren't specifically named in the Constitution. The difference is when the 2nd Amendment is used as a default, it's defaulting to something that can be read not twisted to meet your desires for more government control.