Bailey Holt. 15. Say her name NRA.

No such right exists because there is no entity to hold responsible for the "violation" of those "rights". You can not sue or hold accountable anyone in government for failing to keep you safe or failing to create and/or maintain a condition/situation/location whereby you "feel" safe. That entire concept is liberal lunacy . . .

Your "right to life" only extends to your ability to defend your life. It shows just how fucked up you are; the right to carry a gun is about the most effective action one can undertake to defend one's "right to life".

You really don't get how this works do you?

If I could add to what you've already said, the Supreme Court has ruled exactly what you stated, back in 2005.

...The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm...

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2005/06/...-protect.html?referer=https://www.google.com/
 
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness covers it

Bullshit.

Those were rights that were violated by the British GOVERNMENT, that the founders called out as inherent and not capable of being surrendered/conferred TO GOVERNMENT and rights that no legitimate GOVERNMENT would violate.

See a theme? Those rights are only exceptions of GOVERNMENT power and action, claimable immunities for citizens to bring action against arbitrary actions of GOVERNMENT.

Those are not rights you can claim against actions taken against you by your fellow citizens. You have no claimable right to not be criminally attacked or murdered. This is why no government agent is duty bound to protect any individual nor can any government agent be sued or held responsible if you are harmed or killed, even if government agents knew of a direct threat to your safety.

Your "right to life" is a right to is to defend yourself against criminal actions; your right to life and liberty is an immunity from GOVERNMENT action prosecuting you for violence when you have a legitimate claim of justification in self defense.

Stop with the nonsense.
 
If I could add to what you've already said, the Supreme Court has ruled exactly what you stated, back in 2005.

The only circumstance when a government agent is duty bound to protect any person is when government action has extinguished that person's ability to act in his own interest (like self defense) because of a custiodial arrangement or forced deprivation of liberty.


"The affirmative duty to protect arises not from the State's knowledge of the individual's predicament or from its expressions of intent to help him, but from the limitation which it has imposed on his freedom to act on his own behalf... it is the State's affirmative act of restraining the individual's freedom to act on his own behalf - through incarceration, institutionalization, or other similar restraint of personal liberty - which is the "deprivation of liberty" triggering the protections of the Due Process Clause, not its failure to act to protect his liberty interests against harms inflicted by other means. " --

DESHANEY v. WINNEBAGO CTY. SOC. SERVS. DEPT., 489 U.S. 189 (1989)​


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which governments are created to protect

And which they claim immunity from protecting if the violator is not a government agent.

Those rights are only actionable against arbitrary GOVERNMENT action, not the criminal actions of private citizens.

You have no "right to life" -- no right to not be criminally assaulted or murdered . . .
 
As the legal doctrine that discovered the right to privacy is set-out? Yes.

I'll explain it for the board.

The origin of "privacy' rights and thus the derivative rights to abortion, contraception and LGBTQ rights, are said to be found in the "emanations" and "penumbras" of the rights expressly enumerated in the first eight Amendments of the Bill of Rights:



"[The] specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have penumbras, formed by emanations from those guarantees that help give them life and substance. See Poe v. Ullman, 367 U.S. 497, 516-522 (dissenting opinion).

Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965)​




As cited there in Griswold, the principle was originally laid out Harlan's famous dissent in Poe v Ullman. Justice O'Connor, quoted below, expressly elevated Harlan's dissent to the opinion of the Court. It unequivocally explains how the doctrine works (the doctrine also relies on the 9th Amendment, the principle that the Constitution secures unenumerated rights):



"Neither the Bill of Rights nor the specific practices of States at the time of the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment marks the outer limits of the substantive sphere of liberty which the Fourteenth Amendment protects. See U. S. Const., Amend. 9. As the second Justice Harlan recognized:

"[T]he full scope of the liberty guaranteed by the Due Process Clause cannot be found in or limited by the precise terms of the specific guarantees elsewhere provided in the Constitution. This `liberty' is not a series of isolated points pricked out in terms of the taking of property; the freedom of speech, press, and religion; the right to keep and bear arms; the freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures; and so on. It is a rational continuum which, broadly speaking, includes a freedom from all substantial arbitrary impositions and purposeless restraints, . . . and which also recognizes, what a reasonable and sensitive judgment must, that certain interests require particularly careful scrutiny of the state needs asserted to justify their abridgment."​

(ellipsis in original)
Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833 (1992)​


Some questions for discussion if any leftist is interested in demonstrating intellectual integrity:

How does the modern anti-gunner's position on the 2nd Amendment fit into the right to keep and bear arms being a link in the "rational continuum" of individual liberty protected from federal (and state) injury by the Constitution?

Can a right that is found to exist in the "emanations" and "penumbras" of the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights be more respected, more vital and more secure than a right that is specifically and expressly enumerated in the Bill of Rights?

Back to my point, can an anti-gunner's hostility for gun rights actually call into question the legitimacy of recognizing and securing the rights to abortion and other reproductive choices or even the gains made in LGBT rights?

IOW, if a link can be cut out, if the "rational continuum" can be broken, how can the doctine of pernumbral rights be argued to exist . . . and if it doesn't exist how does the right to privacy (and abortion, contraception and LGBTQ rights) remain legally recognized and secured?


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Yawn.

Nice cut and paste.

Abortion rights are dependent on your right to carry a popgun? Hilarious!
 
Yawn.

Nice cut and paste.

Abortion rights are dependent on your right to carry a popgun? Hilarious!

Go away, little one. This discussion is for adults. Take your infantile comments to the sandbox with the other little children. Your ignorance of this subject has become mundane.
 
Go away, little one. This discussion is for adults. Take your infantile comments to the sandbox with the other little children. Your ignorance of this subject has become mundane.

Suck it up, Nancy.

Maybe you can answer that question, Einstein.

Abortion rights are dependent on your right to carry that pissant little popgun of yours, Rambutt?
 
Suck it up, Nancy.

Maybe you can answer that question, Einstein.

Abortion rights are dependent on your right to carry that pissant little popgun of yours, Rambutt?

What does abortion rights have to do with idiots like you blaming us NRA members for gun violence?
See, you can't even stay on topic, you're really showing your absurdity.
 
no, they clearly do not have that right to be safe or feel safe around those carrying guns. what they DO have is the right to carry their own gun with them, even around others that carry guns, in order to provide for their best self defense.

And how does this apply to infants, children, or those with severe disabilities? Those babies at Sandy Hook had the right to feel safe at school and not have to worry that one day a door could open and they'd get shot.

all those woman that carry guns have penis envy???????

Silly. My comment was addressed to Batty.
 
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