It's become as American as apple pie and baseball,

archives said:
Ah, perhaps by addressing easy access to guns, ain't a whole lot of hurdles out there stopping one who really wants a weapon from getting one, especially if you reside in or near certain areas of the Nation

And no proven by the fact in all those situations weapons were obtained easily by the shooters
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so give us your recommendations on preventing easy access to guns.
 
rjhenn said:
No, that there is a problem is obvious. It is not obvious that guns are the problem. It seems far more likely that the real problem is something else, like changes in culture. We didn't have this problem 50 years ago, when guns were more easily available to almost everyone. If guns were the problem, shouldn't our increasing restrictions have made things better?
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Fifty years ago America was in the middle of a crack epidemic, and as you know from your above statements, murders were more prevalent, and given gun deaths have gone done, as you also noted above, why can't one say that is responsible for "our increasing restrictions?"
 
domer76 said:
All violent crime has been decreasing since the 90s. Nobody seems to know why. The constant is 30,000+ gun deaths per year. Every year.

Compare that rate to all other western societies and the conclusion is clear.
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All violent crime has been decreasing because we took the lead out of gasoline in the '70s, so an entire generation grew up with less exposure to lead, thus less tendency to violent behavior. Again, remove a few gang-infested inner cities from the stats and we look quite similar to all other western societies. The conclusion is clear.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
so give us your recommendations on preventing easy access to guns.
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Been there, done that, and all your going to do is cherry pick what you don't like and creating deflecting strawmen

For starters, treat guns as we do autos, register all of them, regardless of method of sale, a registration that has to be renewed every few years. Make liability insurance mandatory for each weapon. Education and test is required to obtain a necessary license, and that license is also due for renewal every few years.

Will it end mass murders, no, but by adding complications and fiscal responsibility, it does create hurdles to access, guarantee the Waffle House's shooters father wouldn't have kept and giving the guns to the kid if he was paying liability insurance on each weapon
 
archives said:
Been there, done that, and all your going to do is cherry pick what you don't like and creating deflecting strawmen
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yes, because all your wishful thinking does is infringe on the rights of other americans.

archives said:
For starters, treat guns as we do autos, register all of them, regardless of method of sale, a registration that has to be renewed every few years. Make liability insurance mandatory for each weapon. Education and test is required to obtain a necessary license, and that license is also due for renewal every few years.
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in other words, turn a right in to a privilege. I decline. now what do you do?
 
domer76 said:
FACT

30,000+ gun deaths a year. Every year.

Want to find a different fact?
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Fact, Brazil, with very stringent gun laws and 2/3 our population, has upwards of 60,000 gun murders a year.
Fact, our current homicide rate is the lowest it's been in over 50 years.
 
domer76 said:
The number of guns and their easy access is directly correlated to the number of gun deaths. Do yourself a favor and look up the stats.
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BS. Access has been increasingly restricted for the last 50 years. It's had no noticeable effect. We had much easier access back before anyone thought we had a problem with guns.
 
Althea said:
I don't see the problem? FBI told local cops to take the guns away from the kid. Father gave the guns back, and he went out and murdered a handful of people.


What's the problem? The system worked as designed by the NRA.
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What does the NRA have to do with this clusterfuck?
 
archives said:
Yes, and two thirds were suicides, accidents, or other such means, that means we still got close to ten thousand murders via guns a year, which far out paces any other developed nation in the world
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Only if you're obsessed with guns, which you are. Why does it matter whether those murders were committed with guns or knives or baseball bats? It's the fact that they're murders that really counts. And, outside of a few highly violent inner cities, we're no more violent than most other developed nations. Maybe you need to stop your obsession with guns and look at what the real problem is.
 
archives said:
Lucky it was Canada, who has stricter gun laws, if it was the US the guy could have easily gone out and picked up an AK-15 and killed multiple more people with less effort in less time
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Funny, just last year there was a mass shooting in Canada where the perp used a weapon that's illegal in Canada. And what's an "AK-15"?
 
Leonthecat said:
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Back when virtually every boy and girl was raised with guns, and could get one any time they wanted one, we didn't have these problems.
 
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