It's become as American as apple pie and baseball,

cawacko said:
Give us the murder numbers over the past 40 years with guns.
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It is my choice to get in a car and drive being full aware of the risk.

It is not my choice to be put at risk because we have gun humpers watering down, and eliminating any reasonable regulation to keep assault rifles out of the hands of losers, pyschopaths, and degenerates. Most civilized countries require robust universal background checks, psychological tests, and periodic recertification for owners of firearms.
 
archives said:
Thirty thousand plus a year are killed by guns, and a large part of that is preventable, that is the key, your talking about innocent people being shot. Your comparison to the number of people and guns out there doesn't make sense, like saying we shouldn't worry about a rash of airplane failures cause we got thousands and thousands of airplanes out there

And as I said there is no proof of causation between declining gun deaths and rising gun ownership, there are numerous variable that explain it better, for example the mere fact the population is getting older, yesterday's wannabe gangsters are now grandfathers

Plus the number of total guns has increased, but the number of actual gun owners has decreased, meaning the same people are buying more guns rather than a proliferation of guns reducing gun deaths
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You're not making sense, first blaming guns, then crediting the fact that "yesterday's wannabe gangsters are now grandfathers". It is the people, not the guns, that are responsible for gun deaths. My comparison to the number of people and guns out there makes perfect sense. If guns were the cause of the problem, as you insist they must be, then we should be seeing many times the number of gun deaths that we actually see. Your "preventable" is just the same sort of wishful thinking that gave us the disaster of Prohibition and the disaster of the War on Drugs.
 
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archives said:
Ah, last I knew, people living in inner city areas were still Americans, didn't know we were into separating Americans, and incase you forgot the overwhelming majority of mass shootings, those shooting innocent people in churches, schools, nightclubs, restaurants, shopping malls, child care centers, and outdoor concerts weren't those living in an inner city
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No, the majority of mass shootings take place in private homes and are a result of domestic violence, and are only a fraction of total gun murders. The majority of gun murders take place in inner cities, and are often gang-related.
 
archives said:
Ah, perhaps by addressing easy access to guns, ain't a whole lot of hurdles out there stopping one who really wants a weapon from getting one, especially if you reside in or near certain areas of the Nation

And no proven by the fact in all those situations weapons were obtained easily by the shooters
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You appear to be willfully ignorant. No matter where you are, if you purchase from an FFL, you are required to pass the background check. And if you purchase from a private individual, there's no way to enforce anything. Even the background check won't stop someone if there's nothing about them in the system.
 
archives said:
Fifty years ago America was in the middle of a crack epidemic, and as you know from your above statements, murders were more prevalent, and given gun deaths have gone done, as you also noted above, why can't one say that is responsible for "our increasing restrictions?"
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50 years ago, the homicide rate was increasing, but didn't peak until 1980, then didn't go down much until it started to drop in the mid-90s, again, probably due to taking the lead out of gasoline. That is supported by the fact that reductions in violent crime have been seen worldwide 20-30 years after taking the lead out of gasoline. While gun deaths have gone down, 50 years ago mass shootings were rare, now they're not.

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archives said:
Been there, done that, and all your going to do is cherry pick what you don't like and creating deflecting strawmen

For starters, treat guns as we do autos, register all of them, regardless of method of sale, a registration that has to be renewed every few years. Make liability insurance mandatory for each weapon. Education and test is required to obtain a necessary license, and that license is also due for renewal every few years.

Will it end mass murders, no, but by adding complications and fiscal responsibility, it does create hurdles to access, guarantee the Waffle House's shooters father wouldn't have kept and giving the guns to the kid if he was paying liability insurance on each weapon
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What's the point of liability insurance? If it's supposed to be some sort of disincentive, consider that the risk that any particular gun will be misused is so small that such insurance would be very cheap. And, for example, Brazil has all of your recommendations in force, and more, except the insurance boondoggle, yet has a far worse problem with gun violence than we do. Just more wishful thinking.
 
Cypress said:
It is my choice to get in a car and drive being full aware of the risk.

It is not my choice to be put at risk because we have gun humpers watering down, and eliminating any reasonable regulation to keep assault rifles out of the hands of losers, pyschopaths, and degenerates. Most civilized countries require robust universal background checks, psychological tests, and periodic recertification for owners of firearms.
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There's obviously a reason a number of you have refused to answer this question. Again, I've said nothing about cars so I don't know why you and Archives bring them up to me. The murder rate in this country has dropped dramatically for years. But stating so seems to undermine the argument you want to make about the dangers of guns thus no one willing to answer it.
 
Cypress said:
It is my choice to get in a car and drive being full aware of the risk.

It is not my choice to be put at risk because we have gun humpers watering down, and eliminating any reasonable regulation to keep assault rifles out of the hands of losers, pyschopaths, and degenerates. Most civilized countries require robust universal background checks, psychological tests, and periodic recertification for owners of firearms.
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And none of it does any good at all. We were better off back before we had any restrictions and everyone was raised to be familiar with firearms, as the Founders intended. Clearly, you, and those like you, are a part of the problem, not the solution.
 
rjhenn said:
Back when virtually every boy and girl was raised with guns, and could get one any time they wanted one, we didn't have these problems.
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There was never a time when virtually EVERY boy and girl were raised with real guns.

Today virtually every boy and girl are raised with first person shooting video games where the graphic Killing of other humans is considered a game of sport and amusement from a very early age.
 
Leonthecat said:
There was never a time when virtually EVERY boy and girl were raised with real guns.
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There have always been prissy's and sissies throughout history, racist. There may never have been 100% of kids raised around guns and/or had a minimal understanding of them. But, back when, the %age was pretty close to 100, you racist prick.
 
BodyDouble said:
There have always been prissy's and sissies throughout history, racist. There may never have been 100% of kids raised around guns and/or had a minimal understanding of them. But, back when, the %age was pretty close to 100, you racist prick.
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The racist BodyDouble seems consumed with calling the member who pointed out he is a racist, what we all know he is.
Rove and Peewee would be proud of you, racist.
 
Leonthecat said:
The racist BodyDouble seems consumed with calling the member who pointed out he is a racist, what we all know he is.
Rove and Peewee would be proud of you, racist.
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Funny how it was I that pointed out your pathetic racism, racist. I'll put it in my siggy so I can easily look back at your utter racism and virtual worthlessness as part of the human race.
 
Leonthecat said:

Are crackahs a race now, racist?
Is there a crackah race?
Clearly you wouldn't be so stupid as to declare that all white people are crackahs, would you?
Do you consider yourself a member of the "crackah race"?
Really?
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I'll let this racist prick post his racial slurs in thread after thread. Funny how racist leon is consumed with his pathetic racism.
 
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