Poll: Large majorities of Americans want to preserve Obamacare's consumer protections

[TrippyHippy]

Some of us can recall when conservatives were, well, conservative. And when that was a legit, rational, rationally expressed political point of view. Conservatives of the republican party had their racists, as did the "other" party, and its fundamentalist preachers in check. Or at the very least made a serious attempt to.

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.” - Barry Goldwater

Eerie warning from the past. Turns out he was right.

 

[CFM]

I'm not demanding anything. I'm perfectly healthy, and I am part of a health share which has my back whenever that stands to change. I just happen to be able to give a half ounce of thought to other people's situations.



Because they "want" it? Seriously? You have a very twisted view of the world if you see sick and dying people as entitled losers whining because they want something.



First of all, someone else pay more in taxes? We all pay taxes, numb nut. Including me.

Second of all, you can take your fake fiscal conservatism and shove it up your ass. You don't care the least bit about the tax rate when it's paying for things you want. You have no problem with the roughly $51 billion blown every year on the war on drugs. Or the fact we spend more on our national defense than the next 8 countries combined. While we're at it, how about the $70 billion wall you want built? But lo and behold, when someone's dying or needs a bite to eat...you magically become a fiscal conservative out of nowhere.

Third, quote me on where I said I support raising taxes. Because that was never said.



Shelter is a need, owning a house is a luxury.



You are a ridiculous person.

There's the typical bleeding heart view. You claim to care and equate thinking about it as compassion. Get back to me when you start paying their premiums for them showing me you care as much as you claim.

They're entitlement minded because they demand someone else provide it to them what is their responsibility to provide themselves.

There you go with that typical LEFT WING argument that paying taxes is the same as voluntarily giving. It's not no matter how much compassion you want to claim from it.

Look at the Constitution, son. Plenty about national defense and NOTHING about social welfare. I notice you didn't post an amount for that spending.

Play semantics if you want. No one owes you shelter, food, clothing, or healthcare. At some point in the miserable lives of the people that think so, they're going to have to do for themselves. Until they're willing to do so, they can do without.

What's ridiculous about expecting someone that chose to have the kids to support their kids? What's ridiculous about expecting those that claim what they do with their bodies is their choice having the responsibility to fund the results of it?

 

[CFM]

Basic human compassion is far cheaper than maintaining the corporate oligarchy. A system truly working for the people could easily halve taxes while taking care of the bare needs of everyone in the country.

It's the human responsibility of the individual to take care of their own basic needs. Why should the government be the one to constantly do for people because they won't do for themselves?

As far as compassion is concerned, it doesn't come from thinking that someone else should provide for individuals unwilling to provide for themselves. It comes from the one claiming he has some PERSONALLY doing for others what HE/SHE feels should be done. As a typical left winger, I see you claim it because, in your own words, you've THOUGHT about their situation.

 

[CFM]

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.” - Barry Goldwater

Eerie warning from the past. Turns out he was right.

Afraid of people that have principles unlike yourself that only look out for what YOU want to do and expect others to "compromise" so you can have your way.

I'll bet those same preachers understood the concept of compassion. Unlike you, they knew it came from actually doing something rather than, in your own words, only thinking about others. If you want someone that doesn't have coverage to get it, pay for it on their behalf. If you want someone else's kids, ones the choice to have them was a choice the person making it said butt out of, to eat, buy their food for them with YOUR money. Apply that mindset to everything else someone should be providing themselves but don't and start digging deep in your pockets.

 

[iolo]

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.” - Barry Goldwater

Eerie warning from the past. Turns out he was right.

I think it may he a matter of inherited culture. As I understand it, the reason so many 'black' people have 'Welsh' names is that our padres in the Union Army were happy to preach to their congregations in the liberated South, whereas ordinary 'white' Northerners weren't, so the liberated people took their 'Welsh' surnames. The point is that too many 'religious' people in America have never gone anywhere near Christianity.

 

[hvilleherb]

Trump promised to end ObamaCare. That's why the voters elected him.

 

[iolo]

Trump promised to end ObamaCare. That's why the voters elected him.

You say. Others tell the truth. And, of course, the voters didn't elect him, did they?

 

[LV426]

He called on Democrats to "go back to the beginning" and "remove all the special deals for the special interests and the favored few," adding that he favors a system in which "geography does not dictate what kind of health care."

Again, not sure what you're talking about here. So McCain's problem back in 2009 was that there was funding for a CT hospital? And what PhRMA deal? Do you mean the deal to close the Medicare Part-D prescription drug donut hole created by Bush the Dumber?

 

[LV426]

That wasn't what the use of the Constitution as an explanation was trying to do. Please keep up.

You don't seem to have any explanation for what you believe.

What does "the Constitution" have to do with the administration of reimbursements to your doctors after they treat you?

 

[LV426]

The flaws have been shown. You refuse to accept them because you're jealous.

True...your argument's flaws have been shown.

You seem to be hinging your entire argument on the fallacy that tying a profit motive to just the administration of payments to your doctor translates to your doctor treating you with a higher quality of care.

That's a false and wrong assumption, by the way. The administration of payments to your doctor has nothing to do with the quality of care your doctor gives you. For instance, your doctor doesn't "treat you better" because you have BC/BS vs. Aetna. You understand that, right? It's unclear that you do.

 

[LV426]

I offer a source and you provide some dumb bitch and four-eyed faggot in a commercial type setting. I'll go with a source. You stick with those two dumbasses.

Dude, Adam Connover cites everything and has links to all supporting data both within the clip itself, and on his website.

The only thing you've been able to cite is The Bell Jar, which is a book white supremacists read to make them feel better about their underachieving life.

 

[LV426]

Nope you're the fraud. My employees got fucked because I could no longer afford to provide them health ins. I took it away and raised their salaries by the equivalent of what it would have cost me to provide this hlth.ins. Because of the ind. mandate they had to purchase shitty ins. with outrageously high deductibles and premiums which covered nothing unless they had some kind of terminal illness- worthless , expensive ins.

You're a fucking liar. Nothing you say is truthful. A small business under 50 employees is exempt from the mandate to provide insurance to its workers. And if it does, it gets huge tax credits.

Everything you're saying is a lie. You lie about stuff you know cannot be verified on message boards in an attempt to lend your failing argument credibility it doesn't have on the facts.

You lie. I don't believe you own a business. I don't believe you employ a single worker. I don't believe you even have a job. I think you're just a troll who is inventing things about himself because your arguments cannot stand on their merits. So you have to invent things that only you know about to certify whatever shit you're pushing here.

What a fucking fraud. Do you think these tactics of faking your personal circumstances work? They don't. Every time you make it, you undermine your credibility that much more.

 

[LV426]

The plight of my employees.

Bullshit.

Don't believe you own a business.

You're just pretending you do because it's the only way you can make an argument.

Conservatives have to lie about themselves on anonymous social media platforms so they can lend their arguments credibility it doesn't have on its merits or facts.

This guy's like Joe (not his real name) the Plumber (not his real job, and never was). You just fake who you are on social media to lend your garbage argument credibility you know it doesn't have.

What a fraud.

 

[Phantasmal]

You're a fucking liar. Nothing you say is truthful. A small business under 50 employees is exempt from the mandate to provide insurance to its workers. And if it does, it gets huge tax credits.

Everything you're saying is a lie. You lie about stuff you know cannot be verified on message boards in an attempt to lend your failing argument credibility it doesn't have on the facts.

You lie. I don't believe you own a business. I don't believe you employ a single worker. I don't believe you even have a job. I think you're just a troll who is inventing things about himself because your arguments cannot stand on their merits. So you have to invent things that only you know about to certify whatever shit you're pushing here.

What a fucking fraud. Do you think these tactics of faking your personal circumstances work? They don't. Every time you make it, you undermine your credibility that much more.

I’m confused, he couldn’t afford the insurance, but could afford to give them raises equal to the cost of their insurance? What am I missing here?

 

[LV426]

I’m confused, he couldn’t afford the insurance, but could afford to give them raises equal to the cost of their insurance? What am Inmissing here?

Yeah, there's quite a few plot holes. Even my D&D character's backstory is more fleshed out and detailed than what Conservatives present here about themselves.

That's why I try to stay away from invoking personal anecdotes; I feel like I can make a strong argument without having to rely on something that would need to be verified like a personal anecdote.

But that's the Conservative style on message boards, and broader social media; concoct fantastical given circumstances for yourself, refuse to verify them, and use them as a replacement for actual facts and/or merits that make an argument sound or reliable.

I think they lie about themselves all the time; I don't think anything they say here about themselves are truthful. I think it's all fabricated and/or exaggerated. I don't believe really anything anyone claims about themselves on message boards. There's no mechanism to hold anyone accountable if they lie about themselves here.

 

[TTQ64]

Bullshit.

Don't believe you own a business.

You're just pretending you do because it's the only way you can make an argument.

Conservatives have to lie about themselves on anonymous social media platforms so they can lend their arguments credibility it doesn't have on its merits or facts.

This guy's like Joe (not his real name) the Plumber (not his real job, and never was). You just fake who you are on social media to lend your garbage argument credibility you know it doesn't have.

What a fraud.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Then he lies and calls himself a liberal who supports everything that comes from the racist right.........he's a racist coward who can't even stand for what he believe in.

I pulled his card a long time ago on another board.]

Other posters believe his BS and don't consider him a racist........he's just like anatta/noise.

 

[TrippyHippy]

There's the typical bleeding heart view. You claim to care and equate thinking about it as compassion. Get back to me when you start paying their premiums for them showing me you care as much as you claim.

They're entitlement minded because they demand someone else provide it to them what is their responsibility to provide themselves.

There you go with that typical LEFT WING argument that paying taxes is the same as voluntarily giving. It's not no matter how much compassion you want to claim from it.

Look at the Constitution, son. Plenty about national defense and NOTHING about social welfare. I notice you didn't post an amount for that spending.

Play semantics if you want. No one owes you shelter, food, clothing, or healthcare. At some point in the miserable lives of the people that think so, they're going to have to do for themselves. Until they're willing to do so, they can do without.

I do what I can on my limited income to help people. I often like to hand out backpacks to the homeless filled with food, clean clothes, and soap. Every once in a while I offer to give one of them a few dollars in exchange for helping me out with my garden or mowing or whatnot. But that helps maybe a handful of people at best. I also take part in organizations which share the cost of necessary but expensive things (like healthcare) among the group. I find encouraging people to switch to alternative options like that to be better than paying people's premiums outright. Teach a man to fish, right? But again, the scope of who that can affect is small. As leery as I am of the centralized state, it is the best apparatus to make any kind of laudable change on a national scale at this stage of humanity. If we can get to a point where people are empowered to take direct action on the issues that matter to them, rather than fill out a ballot sheet, we can talk. But then, you are just as guilty of that when it comes to the things you care about so it'll be a damn while.

The constitution does state the government should provide for the general welfare of it's people. This doesn't mean handouts, no, but it does have a legitimate constitutional responsibility to give a hand up to it's citizens. To allow for the health, happiness, and fortunes of all American people.

What's ridiculous about expecting someone that chose to have the kids to support their kids? What's ridiculous about expecting those that claim what they do with their bodies is their choice having the responsibility to fund the results of it?

What's ridiculous is your incessant need to reason your way out of any sort of responsibility to your neighbors, even small children. That you'd rather stick your nose up way in the air and grunt "well i'm not it's parent!" than just give the poor damn kid a sandwich. You and ilk like you are why we need taxes to provide for the well-being of our people. You say in the beginning of your post that compassion should be individual and voluntary, not compulsory. I'd tend to agree ideally, but then by the end of your post you admit that you wouldn't help anybody on your own volition anyway. Making my point for me.

 

[CFM]

You don't seem to have any explanation for what you believe.

What does "the Constitution" have to do with the administration of reimbursements to your doctors after they treat you?

I gave you an explanation. Not my problem you're too stupid to understand.

 

[CFM]

True...your argument's flaws have been shown.

You seem to be hinging your entire argument on the fallacy that tying a profit motive to just the administration of payments to your doctor translates to your doctor treating you with a higher quality of care.

That's a false and wrong assumption, by the way. The administration of payments to your doctor has nothing to do with the quality of care your doctor gives you. For instance, your doctor doesn't "treat you better" because you have BC/BS vs. Aetna. You understand that, right? It's unclear that you do.

Are you a doctor? Unless you are, you can't make an assumption like that.

 

[CFM]

Dude, Adam Connover cites everything and has links to all supporting data both within the clip itself, and on his website.

The only thing you've been able to cite is The Bell Jar, which is a book white supremacists read to make them feel better about their underachieving life.

When the data he provides is biased, it's on the same level as a blog.

Underachieving life? You're the one begging the government create a healthcare coverage system so you can get what I earned. Appears to me as you haven't achieved even being able to provide yourself with the basics.