Kavanaugh should step down.

No I don't agree with Ford and have said so many times. It isn't a conspiracy either; it is an unethical media circus concocted by the Democratic members of the Senate. I do wish you ad a brain strawman.

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uh, ok

why won't that senile Grassley fuck call Mark Judge or any other witnesses?

well?
 
why won't that senile Grassley fuck call Mark Judge or any other witnesses?
well?

Okay, I am going to pretend for a moment you are not a dishonest low IQ thread troll. What do you believe that would accomplish? He has already sworn under oath he wasn't there.
 
Let me simplify your laughably stupid argument and call it a day.....you think that a woman who wasn't a friend, didn't hang with Kavanaugh's crowd, can't remember when, what, where or how and cannot corroborate her claims with the people she claims were there should be taken seriously because.....wait for it snowflake.......she has a great BIG VAGINA.

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You're not even trying to argue the matter. Instead, you just lapse into misogyny in the hopes that it will derail a discussion of the facts. I'm not going to play along. The facts matter to me. The facts are that a highly accomplished academic has claimed that Kavanaugh got drunk and tried to rape her when she was 15. She passed a polygraph. She has presented ample evidence to establish that her claim predates the nomination. And she provided strong testimony, with a hired-gun lawyer failing to find any holes in her claims. Does that mean she really was a victim of an assault by Kavanaugh? No. She could be a really high functioning sociopath who is just preternaturally skilled at lying. Neither of us knows for sure what happened in that room. We're both forced to guess based on what we know of the two people. That's what has led me to the guess that it really did happen. She comes across as highly credible. He comes across as a liar and an emotionally immature man (as well as a problem drinker, at the time). And his side is the one trying to avoid transparency -- they tried to prevent the testimony in the first place, and now they refuse to subpoena Judge and to have the FBI look into it. All things considered, I just find her story more plausible than his. Note, I'm not saying the same about the other two women who have made claims against him, so this isn't just a matter of me believing anything that's said against him for political reasons. The second woman's long delay in being able to identify the attacker is suspicious, and the third woman's story seems so extreme that I'm withholding judgment. At most, they tilt the balance only a bit. But Ford's claim is extremely strong. Now, check your own conscience and ask if you're judging each individually, on its merits, or just deciding you'll reject any claims against Kavanaugh because of the politics.
 
You’ve endured more than I ever would.

I find it's helpful to keep coming back to the facts, even as they try to derail things with personal insults. That's their whole game: they know they're out of their depth, and so a discussion of the facts isn't advantageous to them. As such, they desperately try to find a person's emotional buttons, in hopes of bringing her down to their level. I refuse to let them do that. Push the buttons as much as you want, and I'll return calmly to the facts. And eventually they'll have to give up even trying to pretend they're interested in engaging on that level. That underscores the intellectual bankruptcy of their position.
 
You're not even trying to argue the matter. Instead, you just lapse into misogyny in the hopes that it will derail a discussion of the facts. I'm not going to play along. The facts matter to me. The facts are that a highly accomplished academic has claimed that Kavanaugh got drunk and tried to rape her when she was 15. She passed a polygraph. She has presented ample evidence to establish that her claim predates the nomination. And she provided strong testimony, with a hired-gun lawyer failing to find any holes in her claims. Does that mean she really was a victim of an assault by Kavanaugh? No. She could be a really high functioning sociopath who is just preternaturally skilled at lying. Neither of us knows for sure what happened in that room. We're both forced to guess based on what we know of the two people. That's what has led me to the guess that it really did happen. She comes across as highly credible. He comes across as a liar and an emotionally immature man (as well as a problem drinker, at the time). And his side is the one trying to avoid transparency -- they tried to prevent the testimony in the first place, and now they refuse to subpoena Judge and to have the FBI look into it. All things considered, I just find her story more plausible than his. Note, I'm not saying the same about the other two women who have made claims against him, so this isn't just a matter of me believing anything that's said against him for political reasons. The second woman's long delay in being able to identify the attacker is suspicious, and the third woman's story seems so extreme that I'm withholding judgment. At most, they tilt the balance only a bit. But Ford's claim is extremely strong. Now, check your own conscience and ask if you're judging each individually, on its merits, or just deciding you'll reject any claims against Kavanaugh because of the politics.

What is even worse is that the majority in the Senate will reject any claims against Kavanaugh because of politics...and confirm him to the Supreme Court for the rest of his life.

THAT is what is truly disgusting.
 
You're not even trying to argue the matter. Instead, you just lapse into misogyny in the hopes that it will derail a discussion of the facts. I'm not going to play along.

I tried to argue the matter; but when I am confronted by someone who ignores the facts, erupts with emotional bile and asks the same moronic thing over and over again, I grow weary and realize that they only want to wallow in the never ending circle of stupidity and remain blissfully ignorant. I am fine you remaining ignorant and contained in your echo chamber.

Misogyny? That is quite telling. When leftist hacks get backed into corners with their lies, they engage in moronic name calling.

The woman I am deeply in love with was raped by her brother in law. I am very aware how women feel when they have been assaulted you pompous, assuming, arrogant dunce. Misogynist? You sound as simple minded and stupid as Ford.

Run along; life is too short for your special brand of stupid and pathetic.
 
I find it's helpful to keep coming back to the facts, even as they try to derail things with personal insults. That's their whole game: they know they're out of their depth, and so a discussion of the facts isn't advantageous to them. As such, they desperately try to find a person's emotional buttons, in hopes of bringing her down to their level. I refuse to let them do that. Push the buttons as much as you want, and I'll return calmly to the facts. And eventually they'll have to give up even trying to pretend they're interested in engaging on that level. That underscores the intellectual bankruptcy of their position.

This from an arrogant pompous lying moron calling people misogynists. STFU, seriously. Let's add hypocrite to your resume; you never seem to whine when your fellow leftists hurl loony insults.
 
I find it's helpful to keep coming back to the facts, even as they try to derail things with personal insults. That's their whole game: they know they're out of their depth, and so a discussion of the facts isn't advantageous to them. As such, they desperately try to find a person's emotional buttons, in hopes of bringing her down to their level. I refuse to let them do that. Push the buttons as much as you want, and I'll return calmly to the facts. And eventually they'll have to give up even trying to pretend they're interested in engaging on that level. That underscores the intellectual bankruptcy of their position.
I can’t resist an occasional zinger, though.
 
Listening to Kav replay on MSNBC.

Kav, you are evil.
You have no good name to defend.

And although this one is admittedly on me, I don't give a fuck about your family, either.
 
Is you claim now that you didn't support Obama and Hillary?
What would make you think that's my claim? You seem to be having trouble following this thread. That's probably because your emotions have gotten the best of you. No worries, I can walk you through it. You claimed that I was someone "that [sic] though [sic] Obama was qualified because he's black and Hillary because she has a vagina." I thought no such thing. Therefore, either you're lying or you have me confused for someone else. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were confused. Now, obviously, the question of whether I supported Obama and Clinton is separate from the question of whether I supported the one because of his racial ancestry and the other because of her sexual anatomy. Up to speed now?
 
This from an arrogant pompous lying moron calling people misogynists. STFU, seriously. Let's add hypocrite to your resume; you never seem to whine when your fellow leftists hurl loony insults.

I never whine regardless of who is hurling the insults. I simply loop back to the substance of the topic at hand, since I have no desire to assist in letting the conservatives weasel out of that by derailing the discussion into the mud. In the present case, the topic at hand is Brett Kavanaugh's suitability for the high court. I found Ford's testimony far more credible than Kavanaugh's so I think he's disqualified on the basis of his having tried to rape her. However, even if I were to set that aside, I think he's disqualified because he lacks mastery of his emotions. He simply gives no indication of being able to comport himself in the way we expect judges will. Moreover, his wallowing in highly partisan and highly paranoid rhetoric means that he will have no credibility on the bench when it comes to acting as an impartial arbiter in any proceeding where partisan political questions are at stake. Further, he lied and misled the committee repeatedly during his testimony, which shows he lacks appropriate ethics for the role, and coupled with his history of lying under oath, he should be regarded as having disqualified himself on that basis as well. There's no shortage of qualified legal minds who'd gladly serve on the high court. Kavanaugh should step aside in favor of a better nominee.
 
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Listening to Kav replay on MSNBC.

Kav, you are evil.
You have no good name to defend.

And although this one is admittedly on me, I don't give a fuck about your family, either.
But he and his family care about you and yours....there's the difference between a good decent human, and you, it seems... * '
 
I tried to argue the matter

Did you? It's hard to tell. I'm used to arguing with smart people, and so I tend to associate arguments with the deployment of facts in a methodical way to establish a logical conclusion. Your style of emotionally blurting a bunch of rhetorical question and then ordering the other person to shut the fuck up isn't the kind of thing I associate with making an argument.

Here's my recommendation: try some deep breathing exercises. You're obviously a highly emotional person, with little self-mastery. That's fine. There are tricks for pulling yourself together even when you start in such a state. The next time you find yourself sputtering out personal attacks because you can't think of a substantive response to inconvenient facts, just step away from the keyboard for a few minutes. Ask yourself why you're coming apart. Breathe. When you've calmed down, force yourself to come back and identify the substantive argument the other person made, and then ask yourself what facts, if any, did the person get wrong, or what logical leaps the person took that don't hold together. Focus on those. Leave the emotions brought on by your intellectual insecurity on the sidelines, rather than letting it take center stage in every post.

I wish you luck. I'll be watching to see how you do.
 
What would make you think that's my claim? You seem to be having trouble following this thread. That's probably because your emotions have gotten the best of you. No worries, I can walk you through it. You claimed that I was someone "that [sic] though [sic] Obama was qualified because he's black and Hillary because she has a vagina." I thought no such thing. Therefore, either you're lying or you have me confused for someone else. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were confused. Now, obviously, the question of whether I supported Obama and Clinton is separate from the question of whether I supported the one because of his racial ancestry and the other because of her sexual anatomy. Up to speed now?

You supported them for the reasons given. They aren't mutually exclusive.
 
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