Jamal Khashoggi : Should Trump complete US arms sale to Saudi's?

[dukkha]

Irrespective of your aversion to the use of sanctions .. or real news .. or facts ..

Rand Paul: Measure to block Saudi arms sales would pass 'overwhelmingly'

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said Sunday that if a vote to cut arms sales to Saudi Arabia were to take place in the next couple weeks, such a measure would pass "overwhelmingly."

During a Fox News interview, Paul was reacting to the disappearance of Dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi, who has been missing for weeks after he entered a Saudi consulate in Istanbul earlier this month.

Paul rejected the Saudis' explanation, saying he "absolutely" does not believe it. Paul also said sanctions "don't go far enough."

Earlier this month, as the first reports of Khashoggi's potential murder came rolling in, Paul announced that he would attempt to force a vote to reject arms sales. The dovish senator was more confident than ever Sunday that such a push would be successful.

"I think if we were to have a vote in the next couple of weeks on whether or not to sell arms to Saudi Arabia, we would win overwhelmingly," he said, before adding a caveat. "I think the powers that be will try to prevent us from having that vote. They have to announce a specific case of arms being sold and my prediction is they will avoid doing that as long as possible."

"With regard to jobs, I don't think arms should ever be seen as a jobs program," he said. "Our arms, our military arms ... are part of our national defense. These aren't something that are just owned by private companies, they are owned by the country and I think we should never sell arms to any country in less it's in national security interest."

He further said that Saudi Arabia's intervention with Yemen "actually increases our national risk."
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ck-saudi-arms-sales-would-pass-overwhelmingly

Please point out what you construe to be 'regime change?'

Paul is doing his job .. which you determine to be whatever is in Trump's best interest.

Paul is completely unhinged with anti-KSA bitterness.
he actually goes back to Saudi funding of the Pakistan madrassas as a reason not to sell arms now.
He's an extremist, and overlooks the Iran role in Yemen as well.

Here is the statement I was referring to about "regime change"

https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/...martha-mcsally-on-race-against-kyrsten-sinema
PAUL: I think the Saudis are an authoritarian government. They are directed from the top down and you don't have people just going off and doing things on their own. I feel certain that the crown prince was involved and that he directed this and that's why I think we cannot continue to have relations with him.

So, I think he is going to have to be replaced, frankly. But I think that sanctions don't go far enough.
I think we need to look at the arm sale, because this is not just about this journalist being killed

 

[Ralph]

Trump LIED.. There is NO Trump deal to sell arms to Arabia.

Then why all the fuss? The Sauds have an independent and sovereign nation. If you have any concerns about human rights take it up with the United Nations, I am sure they will get to it.....directing all their might against the Sauds as they are great proponents of human rights. Oh! My bad.....the Sauds are not Jews.

 

[blackascoal]

Paul is completely unhinged with anti-KSA bitterness.
he actually goes back to Saudi funding of the Pakistan madrassas as a reason not to sell arms now.
He's an extremist, and overlooks the Iran role in Yemen as well.

Here is the statement I was referring to about "regime change"

https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/...martha-mcsally-on-race-against-kyrsten-sinema
PAUL: I think the Saudis are an authoritarian government. They are directed from the top down and you don't have people just going off and doing things on their own. I feel certain that the crown prince was involved and that he directed this and that's why I think we cannot continue to have relations with him.

So, I think he is going to have to be replaced, frankly. But I think that sanctions don't go far enough.
I think we need to look at the arm sale, because this is not just about this journalist being killed

Rand Paul is doing his job .. and I agree with him that arms sales is not a jobs program.

.. and I completely agree that SA is an authoritarian government directed from the top-down, thus this could not have occurred without knowledge from the top.

... and "not doing business with him anymore" is not a call for regime change. It says lets take our business somewhere else.

 

[moon]

US ready to blow another arms control treaty to feed its war economy

The United States’ economy is a military-industrial complex. Therefore any multilateral arms control treaty that limits weapons and war tensions is by definition incompatible with the functioning of American-style capitalism.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/441946-inf-treaty-trump-arms-war/

Exactly so.

 

[Superfreak]

A journalist who wrote for the Washington post. No arguments about that. His last column can be read online. He was a good writer with inside knowledge about the middle east. Please inform yourself. Really, he was a journalist.
Trump does not care if reporters or journalists are killed. He is acting just like you would expect him to. He figures with the killing, he has the power to force Saudi Arabia to actually do a munitions deal. He lied about the 110 billion.

A journalist who...

1) Worked for the Post for a year or two
2) Worked for Saudi Princes most of his life, supporting them and their treatment of their citizens
3) Was closely associated with Osama Bin Laden, being one of the only journalists with access to him
4) Was a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood who want to keep women in their 'place'

But liberals in the US only look at #1 while ignoring the other three.

 

[moon]

A journalist who...

1) Worked for the Post for a year or two
2) Worked for Saudi Princes most of his life, supporting them and their treatment of their citizens
3) Was closely associated with Osama Bin Laden, being one of the only journalists with access to him
4) Was a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood who want to keep women in their 'place'

But liberals in the US only look at #1 while ignoring the other three.

You attempt to smear the character of victims just like a trained Izraeli fascist. You're not, I know- but I wanted to make you aware how far you've sunk.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Trump will do what Trump does.....whatever is best for the US and its economy. Let the Sauds police their own citizens. Strange is the fact that no one was concerned when it was ISIS and Al Qaeda beheading US citizens and journalists. This is no more than a hic-up.....Iran is far more the human rights abusers than are the Sauds, but that did not stop BHO from sending billions of dollars of bribe money to this evil empire.

Personally, I think the Suads have found a good method to deter fake news and its attempt to direct state policies. There are more than a few so called journalists in the US that need to be indicted.....body dismemberment might be a bit extreme but a good tour and vacation in the gray bar hotel would work wonders for those promoting sedition and treason in the attempt to remove a duly elected POTUS.

I also doubt we will cease partnering with them in their genocide in Yemen, let's face it, american values are no different than radical Wahabist Islamist Saudi values. And fascism always punishes anyone who dare voice the truth about power structures.

 

[blackascoal]

A journalist who...

1) Worked for the Post for a year or two
2) Worked for Saudi Princes most of his life, supporting them and their treatment of their citizens
3) Was closely associated with Osama Bin Laden, being one of the only journalists with access to him
4) Was a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood who want to keep women in their 'place'

But liberals in the US only look at #1 while ignoring the other three.

That's what you think?

It's only liberals.

Rand Paul says if a sanctions bill against SA was put up, it would pass "overwhelmingly."

Kinda' blows your theory about liberals right out of the water.

 

[Legion]

A journalist who...

1) Worked for the Post for a year or two
2) Worked for Saudi Princes most of his life, supporting them and their treatment of their citizens
3) Was closely associated with Osama Bin Laden, being one of the only journalists with access to him
4) Was a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood who want to keep women in their 'place'

But liberals in the US only look at #1 while ignoring the other three.

Not even a journalist, actually. He wrote a few opinion columns. Because liberals perceive him as anti-Trump, they pretend to revere him - now.

They wull forget he ever existed withing a few weeks in all probablity.

 

[dukkha]

Rand Paul is doing his job .. and I agree with him that arms sales is not a jobs program.

.. and I completely agree that SA is an authoritarian government directed from the top-down, thus this could not have occurred without knowledge from the top.

... and "not doing business with him anymore" is not a call for regime change. It says lets take our business somewhere else.

did you READ what I bolded It says we can't have relations (diplomatic) and it says
I think he is going to have to be replaced,..how is this not agitating for regime change????

of course it's an authoritarian gov't it's a monarchy!

None of which is our business -if we halt arms sales -guess who steps in to fill the void? Russia.
They did it with Egypt when Obama put sanctions on Sisi for being a 'junta government'
do you want that? I thought you hated Putin?

 

[Legion]

That's what you think? It's only liberals. Rand Paul says if a sanctions bill against SA was put up, he could get it passed "overwhelmingly." Kinda' blows your theory about liberals right out of the water.

Virtue signaling. You don't care about Jamal Khashoggi any more than you care about Meng Hongwei, whitey.

Paul is grandstanding.

 

[Legion]

I also doubt we will cease partnering with them in their genocide in Yemen, let's face it, american values are no didfferent than radical Wahabist Islamist Saudi values. And fascism always punishes anyone who dare voice the truth about power structures.

"Values".

 

[Fentoine Lum]

"Values".

Yup, america has none.

 

[Legion]

None of which is our business

 

[Legion]

Yup, america has none.

No nation has any - except self-interest - and we both know it.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

Not even a journalist, actually. He wrote a few opinion columns. Because liberals perceive him as anti-Trump, they pretend to revere him - now.

They wull forget he ever existed withing a few weeks in all probablity.

Whatever he did got him killed, musta been something to the Saudi power structure. But hey, it's not like america gives a fuck about human rights or a free press anyway.

 

[Fentoine Lum]

No nation has any - except self-interest - and we both know it.

So we're not exceptional at all, average, common.

 

[Legion]

So we're not exceptional at all, average, common.

We're exceptional at projecting self-interest and being successful. BTW, there's a reason why people want to come here.

 

[dukkha]

realpolitik. do what's in our best interest,and KSA does what in theirs.
Screw this morality play. China and Russia don't play those games. why should we?

The best way to get KSA to reform is to support the reformer and that is MbS.
we should condemn the murder and seek justice for those who did it,but not "replace" ( as Paul says) the regime

 

[blackascoal]

did you READ what I bolded It says we can't have relations (diplomatic) and it says
I think he is going to have to be replaced,..how is this not agitating for regime change????

of course it's an authoritarian gov't it's a monarchy!

None of which is our business -if we halt arms sales -guess who steps in to fill the void? Russia.
They did it with Egypt when Obama put sanctions on Sisi for being a 'junta government'
do you want that? I thought you hated Putin?

Dude, I'm only marginally interested in what you have to say. You're a clone. You aren't even slightly interested in facts.

Sen. Rand Paul: It's time to rethink America's relationship with Saudi Arabia -- It is not our friend

excerpts ...

"So what now? What do we do with this politically important country that clearly is not acting in the best interest of the U.S. or its own citizens?

Well, we can start by cutting the Saudis off. We should not send one more dime, one more soldier, one more adviser, or one more arms deal to the kingdom.

There are those who look at this option and say: “Well, what about our jobs, and won’t someone else sell the Saudis weapons?”

First, let me start with saying that is not a good enough reason to prop up the outright evil being perpetrated by the Saudis. But even accepting that, it is laughable to think that the kingdom, which has long been reliant on and trained on American military equipment, can suddenly change course.

What we have here is leverage. The Saudis need our help and weapons. And we should make sure that this need causes a change in their behavior.

It isn’t enough to talk tough and then give the Saudis what they want. We have to force their hand into real reforms, internally and abroad.

With the outrage caused by their recent actions, now is the time for bipartisan corrective action."
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/sen...onship-with-saudi-arabia-it-is-not-our-friend

Read the entire article, find regime change.

I don't give a shit about what you bold .. I operate on what is factual .. you do not.