"Make America Rich Again"

PoliTalker said:
Hello You thought it was,



If you believe in justice then you should also believe that free trade is not free, and needs to be accompanied by world responsibility.

Unregulated trade, with no barriers, amounts to a race to the bottom. Who can pollute the most? Who can treat their workers the most poorly? Who can have the most dangerous working conditions? Who can produce the most dangerous products that are cheap to make and easy to sell?

Who can convert the most natural resources into the products with the shortest shelf life, and the quickest arrival at the final destination: the landfill. Or worse, simply plastic tossed into the sea.

That is not a competition the nations of the world need to be involved in.

We have to have some ground rules.
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Do, or did, you support NAFTA, CAFTA & TPP?
 
You thought it was said:
How many obnoxious capitalization can you use fascist? China will one day be a world power, and the world will be better off in the absence of totalitarian US control. While the US keeps grasping at straws and seeking to spit on China out of spite, China will barely even notice. America could have a graceful fall from power, or America could choose to do what it always does, be the bully simply because someone else is getting the attention for a bit. America chose the latter. America will hasten its fall. The world will be a better place once China is at the helm and the totalitarian US fascists are put to bed. Then we can have a socialist revolution and remove all the fascist rightists that have been holding us back. The leeches.
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Yeah, well, China is a communist nation; and I think we want to preserve the right of free speech in the USA.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello cawacko,



Perhaps it would be a worthy exercise to realize that everything you despise is not caused by liberals.
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Where did I say anything about despising Facebook and Google? I haven't. I've read progressive magazines and publications that have spoken to the evil of Facebook and Google and their monopolistic tendencies. So rather interesting to see a socialist like Rana supporting them but to each his own.
 
Darth Beto Omar said:
When only one party is practicing free trade—then it’s not really free trade.
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No doubt, Xi is one of many who were disappointed in Trump’s election lol.

Hillary would have continued with ‘free trade’ as would an establishment republican. Free trade is an admirable principle, but the principle doesn’t serve us when a country is more than willing to take advantage of our principles. The fact is, that’s gone on too long with China.

If China wants free trade—they can make the first move.
 
cawacko said:
Where to even begin with this tweet from Trump:

I am a Tariff Man. When people or countries come in to raid the great wealth of our Nation, I want them to pay for the privilege of doing so. It will always be the best way to max out our economic power. We are right now taking in $billions in Tariffs. MAKE AMERICA RICH AGAIN


Tariffs are taxes. Is his 2020 slogan going to be "I Am The Tax Man"? Any Democrat who ran on this would rightly get laughed at. But because Trump calls himself a Republican this is somehow now acceptable?

It was always liberals and unions that wanted tariffs previously to protect their industries and conservatives who supported free trade because that's where growth comes from. It's maddening watching this change take place and seeing conservatives accept these tariffs as good economics.
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Now you know what I went through in the 80's and 90's as Southern social conservatives co-opted the Republican party to make it something it never was before. The party of Southern Rednecks. Please tell me you didn't see this coming? If you didn't you had blinders on.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Now you know what I went through in the 80's and 90's as Southern social conservatives co-opted the Republican party to make it something it never was before. The party of Southern Rednecks. Please tell me you didn't see this coming? If you didn't you had blinders on.
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This has nothing to do with southern social conservatives or rednecks. This was a position labor unions held for years and how many times have we heard Democrats/liberals say if you don't support unions you don't support the working man?

Bernie Sanders campaign was all about bad trade deals and China f'ing us. I support our trade deals and free trade.

I'm not sure how Rana liked your post considering she's complained about trade for years. Funny it took Trump to make certain liberals find out the benefits of free trade.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Now you know what I went through in the 80's and 90's as Southern social conservatives co-opted the Republican party to make it something it never was before. The party of Southern Rednecks. Please tell me you didn't see this coming? If you didn't you had blinders on.
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Mott, here's a quote from Cypress in 2007 regarding U.S. job loses to China:


You think this was an accident, or somehow all unintentional?

This was exactly what the wall street republicans, and corporate-sponsored Dems had in mind when the passed NAFTA, WTO, and China MFN.

A downward pressure on labor costs and wages in the United States.

People like Cawacko, Damocles, and Stuperfreak actually bought into the nonsense that William F Buckley, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, and Alan Greenspan were actually valiantly trying to improve the status, power, and wage potential of america's working middle class. Is it possible to be any more foolish that to believe scions of the conservative movement and america's rich investor were invested in improving the power and status of Joe and Jane working class american?

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...ighlight=china


This was only a decade ago. My belief in free trade and trade deals hasn't wavered. The Republican Party only changed with Trump.
 
cawacko said:
This has nothing to do with southern social conservatives or rednecks. This was a position labor unions held for years and how many times have we heard Democrats/liberals say if you don't support unions you don't support the working man?

Bernie Sanders campaign was all about bad trade deals and China f'ing us. I support our trade deals and free trade.

I'm not sure how Rana liked your post considering she's complained about trade for years. Funny it took Trump to make certain liberals find out the benefits of free trade.
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<---- Blinders on. Dude....which party is now the party of the white working class? That's right, it's now Republicans. That is correct that Democrats used to be...that change has occurred gradually in correlation to Southern Conservatives (particularly white working class southern conservatives) switching from the Democratic Party to the GOP over the last 40 years. That move took a stark turn towards the GOP in 2016. The Democrats used to be the party of the working class. Now it's the Republican party and I'm saying it again, if you didn't see this happening you had blinders on. I'm actually surprised this hasn't happened sooner but I guess it took a populist Demagogue like Trump to seal the deal.
 
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cawacko said:
Mott, here's a quote from Cypress in 2007 regarding U.S. job loses to China:


You think this was an accident, or somehow all unintentional?

This was exactly what the wall street republicans, and corporate-sponsored Dems had in mind when the passed NAFTA, WTO, and China MFN.

A downward pressure on labor costs and wages in the United States.

People like Cawacko, Damocles, and Stuperfreak actually bought into the nonsense that William F Buckley, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, and Alan Greenspan were actually valiantly trying to improve the status, power, and wage potential of america's working middle class. Is it possible to be any more foolish that to believe scions of the conservative movement and america's rich investor were invested in improving the power and status of Joe and Jane working class american?

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...ighlight=china


This was only a decade ago. My belief in free trade and trade deals hasn't wavered. The Republican Party only changed with Trump.
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Again, you have blinders on. You're nuts to think that this only happened due to Trump. The GOP has been using dog whistle politics and class division and racial resentments among working class whites to support their agenda for years and it has worked. The majority of working class whites (which is the majority of whites) now vote for the GOP.

Now when you consider that for years the GOP did pretty much exactly squat for working class folks other than to depress wages and ship their jobs over seas that it has created resentment. So Trump just tapped into a pool of resentment of the white working class that is now the majority of the GOP base and they put him in office. Now, all of a sudden, you're starting to hear pro labor, anti-trade rhetoric from Republican politicians and this surprises you given the demographic changes that have occurred to the GOP over the last 40 years?

Better get used to it as this been in the making for a long time. The GOP will become far more working class friendly in terms of rhetoric and legislation or they risk losing their working class base. It's that simple and I'm surprised you don't see that.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Again, you have blinders on. You're nuts to think that this only happened due to Trump. The GOP has been using dog whistle politics and class division and racial resentments among working class whites to support their agenda for years and it has worked. The majority of working class whites (which is the majority of whites) now vote for the GOP.

Now when you consider that for years the GOP did pretty much exactly squat for working class folks other than to depress wages and ship their jobs over seas that it has created resentment. So Trump just tapped into a pool of resentment of the white working class that is now the majority of the GOP base and they put him in office. Now, all of a sudden, you're starting to hear pro labor, anti-trade rhetoric from Republican politicians and this surprises you given the demographic changes that have occurred to the GOP over the last 40 years?

Better get used to it as this been in the making for a long time. The GOP will become far more working class friendly in terms of rhetoric and legislation or they risk losing their working class base. It's that simple and I'm surprised you don't see that.
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I have blinders on reading Cypress' post? You didn't even address it.

Look at the votes on NAFTA in Congress. Look at the votes on CAFTA in Congress (firmly backed by Republicans, not by Democrats) which was signed by Bush. Go back to Obama's '08 campaign when he threatened to back out of NAFTA. Look at the Democratic Party's rhetoric during the '08 election about the U.S. - South Korea trade deal and their fears about globalization. This was right around the same time as Cypress' post above.

I don't have blinders on, I follow what's been happening.
 
cawacko said:
I have blinders on reading Cypress' post? You didn't even address it.

Look at the votes on NAFTA in Congress. Look at the votes on CAFTA in Congress (firmly backed by Republicans, not by Democrats) which was signed by Bush. Go back to Obama's '08 campaign when he threatened to back out of NAFTA. Look at the Democratic Party's rhetoric during the '08 election about the U.S. - South Korea trade deal and their fears about globalization. This was right around the same time as Cypress' post above.

I don't have blinders on, I follow what's been happening.
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Look Wacko you're really going wide on my point here. The GOP, in terms of sheer numbers of voters, largest single demographic has become working class white voters over the last 40 years. Something the GOP has never had before in its history. Trump swept the GOP back into power with his populist white working class rhetoric...not the standard Free Trade, No taxes rhetoric. These white working class voters now control the heirarchy of the GOP and not your Chamber or Commerce types who used to.

How can you be surprised at this change in the Republican party? The fact that the Democratic party still uses pro labor rhetoric to attract those votes isn't relevant.

What is relevant is that the GOP is now politically dominated by the white working class voters who bought into Trumps rhetoric. This has been in the making for decades now. Trump was just the first one in the GOP to have the balls to use economic populism to gain the support of working class whites en-mass. This is going to continue and you will see more of it and not less.
 
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