Goodbye everyone...

Darla said:
Showing them is propagandizing them? The cold hard fact is, he got those wounds due directly to propaganda. He'd be alive today if it wasn't for Bush's propaganda, and useful idiots like yourself.

Hiding deaths from this war is propaganda. Hiding wounds from this war is propaganda. Hiding caskets is propaganda. You have swallowed more propaganda, and dissemated more of it, than anyone on this board, save Dixie, so don't you ever wave your finger in my face.
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Go get one of the Iraq war vets against the war and post his picture everywhere, don't do it to people who haven't given their permission for such exploitation.
 
WRL said:
Go get one of the Iraq war vets against the war and post his picture everywhere, don't do it to people who haven't given their permission for such exploitation.
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Despite your best attempts, I am still free to use my speech as I see fit, not as you see fit. Sorry. Maybe if McCain wins, you will get lucky and they will rescind the first amendment. I know that Newt gingrich would like to "revisit" it.
 
WRL said:
That was a picture of him getting promoted, which is standard, which any vet would know, I thought you said you where a vet, and it wasn't authorized to be used in Anti-Military propaganda. Using wounded vets in unauthorized manors, in propaganda, is the lowest of the low.
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I didn't pay particular attention to WHAT was being pinned on him. If not going back and studying the picture is somehow evidence that I am not a veteran, you are grasping at straws.

Did she use it as anti-military? Or did she use it to try and stop someone from enlisting? Someone here asked for our opinions. Darla presented a strong one.

What makes you think that these pictures only get to be paraded on Veteran's Day or Memorial Day? What makes you think you get to decide what is a proper use for this picture? Suppose the poster here didn't join. Suppose he didn't go and die in Iraq. Do you think the marine's mother would object to her son's picture being used to save another mother's son from joining her son? No doubt she feels great pride at his sacrifice. But every christmas from now until she dies she will feel the loss.

As I said, Darla showed more respect for that marine than your tantrum is showing.
 
Solitary said:
I didn't pay particular attention to WHAT was being pinned on him. If not going back and studying the picture is somehow evidence that I am not a veteran, you are grasping at straws.

Did she use it as anti-military? Or did she use it to try and stop someone from enlisting? Someone here asked for our opinions. Darla presented a strong one.

What makes you think that these pictures only get to be paraded on Veteran's Day or Memorial Day? What makes you think you get to decide what is a proper use for this picture? Suppose the poster here didn't join. Suppose he didn't go and die in Iraq. Do you think the marine's mother would object to her son's picture being used to save another mother's son from joining her son? No doubt she feels great pride at his sacrifice. But every christmas from now until she dies she will feel the loss.

As I said, Darla showed more respect for that marine than your tantrum is showing.
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Did she use it as anti-military? Absolutely, how could you argue otherwise. It was the first response to a question about joining the Military.

My whole case hasn't been that I get to decide when to propagandize wounded Vets, it's that they should get to decide, not some anti war activist deciding for them, it's a little thing called honor, decency, and respect.

That was without a doubt the most disrespectful showing I've seen towards our Veterans, since the code pink protests at Walter Reed Army Hospital. How on Earth do you figure using a wounded Vet without permission for propaganda purposes is in anyway showing that wounded vet respect?
 
Real convientent excuse to depart just as OBAMA starts his march to victory!
 
WRL said:
That was a picture of him getting promoted, which is standard, which any vet would know, I thought you said you where a vet, and it wasn't authorized to be used in Anti-Military propaganda. Using wounded vets in unauthorized manors, in propaganda, is the lowest of the low.
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We sure do not want the public seeing pics of wounded vets do we ?
reality sucks and so does the ugly truth of war. people get horribly maimed and killed. But go on live in your dreamworld of hollywood sanitized war.
 
You read a lot into the posting of a single picture. She made no disparaging remarks about the military in general or that soldier in particular. She answered a request to talk someone out of joining the military for a signing bonus.

Do you think that soldier would want what happened to him to happen to someone else, especially if that someone joined for the bonus?

That soldier's mother has made his picture public in numerous places. She is proud of him. I see no shame in what Darla did. Perhaps you know her views on the war and projected based on that knowledge. But what she did when she posted that picture was not propaganda. What she did was post the truth. The truth is not propaganda.
 
WRL said:
darla recently decided it would be a hoot to post an unauthorized picture of a wounded Marine in some anti military rant, that is one of the most dispicable, and low class things I've seen since the code pink protesters at Walter Reed. I refuse to particiate in anything that allows or uses pictures of wounded Vets, without their consent, to be propagandizied, politicized, or exploited in such a manor, and so I will be parting company with the community for now.

http://justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=11536

I know I've butted heads with many here, but I've always tried to bring my philosophies, and ideals, with links and back them up with rigorous debate. We may not always agree on things, but I want most of you to know, and you who you are, I've known many of you for years now, and I don't do this easily, but Goodbye.

Thank you Damo, for providing the community.

WRL
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Might be a good reason to ignore Darla, not a good reason to sepperate yourself from the community. I suspect other reasons...

Stay and work to keep this a great community of great ideas, be here to point out when something distastefull has been done... Dont be a babby and leave.

I suspect you dont want to admit to the pittafull abilities or lack thereof of the mccain campaign.
 
Wow, this is sad, I've been posting here and known many of you for years, and only one person bothered to say goodbye, another decided to mock me.
 
While Darla has voiced strong anti-military rhetoric in the past, the post of a wounded soldier in a promotion ceremony is not, IMO, the disrespectful action she is being accused of here. Frankly, I disagree with the vast majority of Darla's opinions. I have no respect at all for many of her stances on the military.

But the picture in question was a propaganda picture to begin with. The military has published it several times. The Marine Corps is proud of the young man, as we are proud of all our soldiers.

Yes, Darla used the photo to discourage someone from enlisting. But why would the Marine Corps even take such a picture (you can bet it was posed) publish it if we were intending to hide the horrors of war from potential recruits? The horrors of war are not something to hide. A young man does, indeed, need to know what they may be up against, especially if they are enlisting during an active conflict. A well informed inductee is going to be a better soldier, because they are not taken unawares. A well informed inductee is there because (s)he believes in the importance of service DESPITE the potential consequences. THAT is the type of soldier we need.

Bottom line, it is sad someone is leaving over this. Especially since the reason is misconstrued from the post they find objectionable.
 
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Good Luck said:
While Darla has voiced strong anti-military rhetoric in the past, the post of a wounded soldier in a promotion ceremony is not, IMO, the disrespectful action she is being accused of here. Frankly, I disagree with the vast majority of Darla's opinions. I have no respect at all for many of her stances on the military.

But the picture in question was a propaganda picture to begin with. The military has published it several times. The Marine Corps is proud of the young man, as we are proud of all our soldiers.

Yes, Darla used the photo to discourage someone from enlisting. But why would the Marine Corps even take such a picture (you can bet it was posed) publish it if we were intending to hide the horrors of war from potential recruits? The horrors of war are not something to hide. A young man does, indeed, need to know what they may be up against, especially if they are enlisting during an active conflict. A well informed inductee is going to be a better soldier, because they are not taken unawares. A well informed inductee is there because (s)he believes in the importance of service DESPITE the potential consequences. THAT is the type of soldier we need.
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True and a good post.
 
Solitary said:
I would be happy to say that to a marine. I would say it to a soldier, sailor or airman as well. I am not slurring any of those fine branches of our military.

And just as an FYI, I proudly display my own honorable discharge.

My post was not about anyone but you. There was no slur on that wounded marine (he subsequently died, I believe).

You think its terrible for someone to use his image to make sure a potential enlistee is aware of what could happen? You think we should hide the wounded and dead from enlistees so they will only see the shiny medals and crisp uniforms? Sorry sparky, but that ain't the whole picture.

Yes, there is a great deal of honor in serving your country. To be part of a long tradition of men and women who were prepared to die to serve is a noble thing.

But there is another side. That side is young men and women dying thousands of miles from home. It is blood spilled on foreign soil. It is families grieving for the loss of a loved one. And that loss and those deaths had damn well better be worth it. A politician who is willing to send those young men & women to die for anything less than our safety should be drawn and quartered.

You bitch and moan about this soldier's picture being posted. He willingly posed for this picture.

My father-in-law was spit on when he returned from Vietnam. No parades, no speeches by politicians, and no band playing when he got off the plane. Just a handful of protesters spitting and calling him "baby-killer".


Oh there are reasons to be mad. But this is not one of them.

Leave if you want, but don't try and make it sound like you are taking the high moral ground. And don't talk to me like I am some pimply faced kid without a clue. I served. My family served. I have dear friends who never returned from their service. I know the price paid, and its a dear one. But anyone who thinks that the young men CHOOSING to serve should do so without seeing the worst their service may offer is just trying to bullshit the enlistees. And worst of all, trying to bullshit themselves.
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HOOAH!
 
Good Luck said:
While Darla has voiced strong anti-military rhetoric in the past, the post of a wounded soldier in a promotion ceremony is not, IMO, the disrespectful action she is being accused of here. Frankly, I disagree with the vast majority of Darla's opinions. I have no respect at all for many of her stances on the military.

But the picture in question was a propaganda picture to begin with. The military has published it several times. The Marine Corps is proud of the young man, as we are proud of all our soldiers.

Yes, Darla used the photo to discourage someone from enlisting. But why would the Marine Corps even take such a picture (you can bet it was posed) publish it if we were intending to hide the horrors of war from potential recruits? The horrors of war are not something to hide. A young man does, indeed, need to know what they may be up against, especially if they are enlisting during an active conflict. A well informed inductee is going to be a better soldier, because they are not taken unawares. A well informed inductee is there because (s)he believes in the importance of service DESPITE the potential consequences. THAT is the type of soldier we need.

Bottom line, it is sad someone is leaving over this. Especially since the reason is misconstrued from the post they find objectionable.
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HOOAH again!
 
WRL said:
darla recently decided it would be a hoot to post an unauthorized picture of a wounded Marine in some anti military rant, that is one of the most dispicable, and low class things I've seen since the code pink protesters at Walter Reed. I refuse to particiate in anything that allows or uses pictures of wounded Vets, without their consent, to be propagandizied, politicized, or exploited in such a manor, and so I will be parting company with the community for now.

http://justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=11536

I know I've butted heads with many here, but I've always tried to bring my philosophies, and ideals, with links and back them up with rigorous debate. We may not always agree on things, but I want most of you to know, and you who you are, I've known many of you for years now, and I don't do this easily, but Goodbye.

Thank you Damo, for providing the community.

WRL
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From the bottom of my heart I'd like to say goodbye .. and get the fuck out.

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