PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
actually, that's how he won the argument.......despite your dissembling........
How much has Obamacare saved the American people?
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actually, that's how he won the argument.......despite your dissembling........
Why is it, then, that I keep finding one error after another here, by the conservatives, and pointing them out? For example, why is it that I'm the one who knew debt more than doubled on Reagan's watch? Apparently I'm quite aware of real world facts. You should give it a try sometime.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
you lie to make Obama look better.......the best you can say about him was that he wasn't as fucking worthless in his eighth year as he was in his first year........
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
you don't.....you whine and twist and try to deflect when we point out your errors......
Budget years begin October 1 and end on September 30 of the following year. Bush had nothing to do with the 2009 fiscal budget that amounted to a 1.417 trillion dollar deficit.
The 800 pound gorilla in 2009 was the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. That trillion dollar pork laden waste of tax payer money was all the Democrats. Trying to hang that around Bush's neck is dishonest, stupid and only something a moron like you would attempt to argue.
Stop being a dishonest dumbfuck, if that is even possible.
Getin the ring
Verified User
The fact that the OP is ignoring any sensible argument to her claims that somehow Obama was a good president, or that Obamacare was and is a complete disaster, unable to pay for itself, and has now been killed by Trump, should tell us all we need to know. She is changing the subject, quoting her google searches with mumbo jumbo.
please ignore her from here in, she is lost in her own thoughts.
She starts a thread about how grand Obamcare is and has spent the last 10 pages talking about fiscal budgets and non-sensical statistics that support nothing she claims
please ignore her from here in, she is lost in her own thoughts.
She starts a thread about how grand Obamcare is and has spent the last 10 pages talking about fiscal budgets and non-sensical statistics that support nothing she claims
Lightbringer
Loves Me Some Souls
The OP is notorious for being stupid.
You lost track of your brain and talking point you dishonest hack. You don't even comprehend how stupid your "annualized" argument looks snowflake. You claimed it was REAL GDP growth asshat.
STFU, seriously.
You'd like to change the subject. I get that. If I were getting my ass kicked royally, I'd probably be tempted to change the subject, too. But your straw man tactics aren't going to work. I never suggested debt didn't double under Obama. I never claimed Obama didn't lie about Obamacare. I never said a word about whether your personal premiums rose or fell. So, those are all straw men, having nothing to do with the argument I've been making, which is about Obamacare having reduced the rate of healthcare spending growth.
As for Obamacare being "unable to survive financially," what makes you think that?
There is. One of the go-to talking points of conservatives, when confronted with the enormously better average economic performance during Democrat-led periods, is to essentially argue that we have to mentally adjust for the fact that the Democrats got the benefit of artificial economic stimulus from the war effort, while the Republicans who followed them got artificially weighed down by demobilization (e.g., we rode high during Kennedy/Johnson because Vietnam was scaling up, then hit the skids during Nixon/Ford because of demobilization of that war effort). Yet the Republicans never apply that same reasoning when it would go the other way -- for example, arguing that Clinton's performance would be even better relative to the elder Bush's if not for the fact Bush had the artificial stimulus of the first Iraq War, or the Obama's performance would be even better relative to the younger Bush's, if we hadn't be saddled with demobilizing after Bush's Iraq and Afghanistan boondoggles.
Why would you like me to tell you that?
No, it definitely wasn't. In 2008, 155 US soldiers died in Iraq. By 2016, US efforts there had been scaled by so much that we only lost 13 soldiers there. Facts matter.
Yes. And that's why I irritate trolls like you so much. You wish I'd just hurl some insults and leave off on that, so we'd be on an even playing field. Instead, I deploy facts and figures in serious arguments, such as when I just completely blew up your ignorant assertion that Afghanistan was basically exactly how Obama found it when he left. That amounts to "cheating," from your perspective, since you have no capacity for doing the same. Read more and you'll be able to offer something of value to the forum. Good luck.
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It was an omission, not a lie you willful idiot. How does it change the argument? Obama added ten trillion to the National Debt, had the most massive trillion dollar deficits in the nations history, anemic 1.45% GDP growth over eight years and you want to declare him a success? STFU, seriously.
As for your equally moronic claims that the ACA saved Americans money, that too is a dumb lie and does not include the massive subsidies American taxpayers are being forced to pay, as well as, much higher premiums.
You're attempts to statistically suggest that premiums MIGHT have been even higher are speculative and dumb. STFU, seriously.
Try to focus, little one. At no point did I "try to explain away $10T in deficits." In fact, I made no mention of $10T in deficits whatsoever. Reread. Then, if you're feeling like less of a coward, try answering:
The question was about which two-term president can it not be said that national debt went UP eight times in the eight years of his presidency.
Anyway, federal debt in Reagan's first month was $934 billion. In his last month it was 2,698 billion. That's much more than a doubling. Reagan's not the only example, either. Under FDR, national debt rose almost ten-fold. So, now that you know that you're wrong about the doubling of the national debt only happening under two presidents, Bush and Obama, does it change any of your political opinions? Again, I'm betting not, because I'm betting your opinion has nothing at all to do with the facts, and thus that finding out you were mistaken about the facts cannot alter your opinions. Am I right?
You dodged the question again, little coward. Care to try again?
Now that you know you were wrong about the 80s having explosive economic growth, has it altered any of your political opinions?
The Obama presidency didn't last a decade. Obviously. Try to focus.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
you're delusional and arrogant. your sense of correctness is actually a mental impairment.
Incorrect on both accounts. You do not appear to know what a deficit is. Here, this will get us started: What do you think the difference between a deficit and debt is?
Getin the ring
Verified User
you are a lost soul, void of any reality
what is the difference between a debt and a deficit?
really, Miss Clown shoes , one is meaningless when you allow the country to sink into 20 trillion in debt, I'll let you figure out which one
I don't know what else to say, you ignore every argument presented to you, while claiming you don't.
really hard to have a conversation with a troll, so
IM DONE
what is the difference between a debt and a deficit?
really, Miss Clown shoes , one is meaningless when you allow the country to sink into 20 trillion in debt, I'll let you figure out which one
I don't know what else to say, you ignore every argument presented to you, while claiming you don't.
really hard to have a conversation with a troll, so
IM DONE
Obviously not. Your attempt to treat the question about whether Obamacare saved the American people money and the question about whether Obama was economically successful as identical would only make sense if 100% of the economy was the healthcare sector. Obviously.
How is 3.5% under Reagan and 3.1% growth for the decade worse than Obama's anemic 1.45% and 2.1% for the 2010's? Good lord, you like to double down on stupid don't you snowflake?
Yes snowflake, 3.5% is a GREAT number that few have surpassed, especially Obama. Dumbass.