There are a long list of cost-saving measures in Obamacare. For example, the expansion of Medicaid made preventative treatment more affordable for those close to poverty, which meant we were buying more ounces of prevention in lieu of pounds of cure. The same is true for opening up the option of early 20-something adults to get on their parents insurance -- which meant more of them getting preventative care in lieu of waiting for a problem to get so bad that they need hugely expensive treatment.
How much has Obamacare saved the American people?
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There are a long list of cost-saving measures in Obamacare. For example, the expansion of Medicaid made preventative treatment more affordable for those close to poverty, which meant we were buying more ounces of prevention in lieu of pounds of cure. The same is true for opening up the option of early 20-something adults to get on their parents insurance -- which meant more of them getting preventative care in lieu of waiting for a problem to get so bad that they need hugely expensive treatment.
It is amusing to see low IQ liberals arrogantly presume to lecture people while engaging in dishonest and laughably stupid hypothesis.
I have one for your dumbass; are deficits and debt connected?
You misunderstood. If you have any smart friends, have one explain it to you.
Lightbringer
Loves Me Some Souls
Let me explain Econ to you. If you increase demand and don't expand supply costs go up. I have been in the hospital recently. You know what Obamacare did? It didn't help me medically but I had to answer questionnaires on my TV and food service. That's what Obamacare did. You're a fool.
I suspect by "lie" what you really mean to say is "you keep pointing out facts and making arguments that make me want to cry." But, if you really think I've lied, then point out the lie. Be specific. Quote exactly what I said and provide a link to the data showing it's wrong. I take accusations of lying seriously, since I work hard to be honest. I've repeatedly shown the falsehood of things people here have said (e.g., the dumb-ass claim that debt had only doubled under Bush and Obama). Can you point out the falsehood of anything I've said -- not just a difference of opinion, but some actual misstatement by me of a verifiable thing?
Good luck.
Your attempts to argue that the ACA actually saved Americans money when it has not are moronic and retarded. It's almost as asinine as suggesting that Obama had a growing economy.
Even Obama, like Gruber, thinks you're an idiot.
As you know, you have yet to detect a single error I've made. If you ever succeed in finding one, though, simply lay out the evidence that it was an error, as I did with the false claim regarding which president had had debt double on their watch. Good luck.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
you're special I guess. special ed.
They start on October 1 of the PRIOR calendar year. Bush had been in office for a little under 1/3 of FY 2009 when Obama took office. That included the annual budgeting period. That's why, in early January 2009, the CBO already listed the FY 2009 deficit at $1.2 trillion. That rose by an additional $200 billion under Obama (largely the ARRA stimulus package). And I'm not trying to count that piece in Bush's column. But the $1.2 trillion baseline for the fiscal year is his.
Learn!
It is ironic isn't it. They claim it isn't doing enough, costing too much, demand Republicans fix it and that Universal healthcare is now the ONLY solution. This idiot is trying to argue how much money it has actually saved based on epic stupid assumptions.
As you know, I haven't ignored any sensible argument. Any time someone offers up an actual argument, I take it on (e.g., the argument that Obama and Bush were the only two presidents for whom debt doubled on their watch). Generally, those arguments have proven to be verifiably false. And the reason you know they're verifiably false is because I DIDN'T ignore them. I addressed them specifically and with links to support by claims.
That's not my argument here. Reread. My argument is that Obamacare saved the American people money. The question of whether Obama was a good, bad, or indifferent president is separate from the question of whether one particular thing he supported succeeded in one particular measure.
As you know, I've scruplously insisted on NOT changing the subject. When the stupider members of the forum tried to alter it (e.g., trying to pretend the thread is about whether Obama was a good president,) I guide us back to the actual topic. You're welcome.
Try harder.
Then it should be possible for you to identify some error I've made, right? Good luck.
And it was. I'm starting to suspect you don't know what the term "real GDP growth" means. What is it that you think that refers to, specifically?
The CBO estimates are a joke. Bush had nothing to do with the massive $1.4 trillion Obama and Democrats racked up in 2009 snowflake. Try to grow a brain. The pork laden recovery act cost the nation trillions showing NOTHING in return other than a massive accumulation in debt and the worst GDP growth of any modern presidency.
But hey, I get it. You're an idiot who thinks Obama was great and moronically attempt to argue using specious claims that the ACA is saving money when it isn't.
canceled.2021.1
#AMERICAISDEAD
The CBO estimates are a joke. Bush had nothing to do with the massive $1.4 trillion Obama and Democrats racked up in 2009 snowflake. Try to grow a brain. The pork laden recovery act cost the nation trillions showing NOTHING in return other than a massive accumulation in debt and the worst GDP growth of any modern presidency.
But hey, I get it. You're an idiot who thinks Obama was great and moronically attempt to argue using specious claims that the ACA is saving money when it isn't.
Agreed. CBO estimates are a ruse to dupe the uninformed.
By statute, the CBO can only score what Congress gives them.
Congress knows how to front load taxes and backload expenses to make their bullshit look good
Anyone who believes a CBO estimate deserves to be fucked over
Lightbringer
Loves Me Some Souls
You have failed to provide proof of your position.