Would you rather...

[Old Trapper]

Difference is you want the rich to pay not you!

The rich were paid quite handsomely by the poor during the Bush recession, and through the latest tax plan by the repugnant right. Then too, if the plan were implemented there would be a flat tax which is something asses like you cannot tolerate.

And fucking fools like you do not understand that what might work in Europe will not work here. Europe has different cultures, different mindsets, accept less freedoms, and are generally more submissive than Americans. I lived in Europe for over 10 years and seen it have you?

You could live in a toilet and never see the truth. The "socialist" countries are the most prosperous in the world, the healthiest, and the happiest. Of course, they don't suffer from the greed that dumb fucks like you support.

Who is paying for your retirement, and healthcare?

Guess you have never heard of the value added tax VAT! The VAT runs from 8% to 25% depending on the country. So everything you buy has the tax added to the total cost.

Again with the pretend knowledge. The VAT tax is around 6% to a max of 15%. It is a "sales tax" (Value Added Tax), not an income tax. And, unlike what the Repugnant ones did, and you support, most of that, including property taxes, is deductible so few pay the full amount.

If you actually knew what the fuck you are blowing out your ass is that they want to INCREASE their tax rate, and only about 6% of them are greedy ass like you who oppose it.

 

[Old Trapper]

I reject your premise

But I ALWAYS want to pay less in taxes. I can take care of my own healthcare thank you very much

And the millions that are not paid enough to even afford to pay taxes can't. And you are good with that as long as your gawds don't have to pay more in taxes.

 

[Truth Detector]

Would you rather pay the same taxes but higher healthcare costs or slightly higher taxes and no healthcare costs?

This makes ZERO sense. What do taxes have to do with my healthcare costs?

Next question. Would you rather pay the same taxes and insanely high education costs that usually destroy peoples credit do to defaults and bankruptcies, or would you rather pay slightly higher taxes and be able to get a better education and have access to better employment opportunities for free?

What do taxes have to do with me getting a quality education?

A better question is why do you bloviate strawman claims?

I know Republicans like to cut taxes, I mean federal income without cutting spending and don’t understand this concept of balance.

Reducing the tax burden on Americans has never led to lower revenue. Why bloviate false strawman claims?

Think before you reply.

Think before you ask stupid questions.

 

[Sirthinksalot]

You pay higher taxes so all could have healthcare. but you also do not have to pay for healthcare out of your pocket. You do not pay deductibles either. The cost Americans would pay would be less. Your company does not have to buy healthcare and provide people to adminster it. That frees money up for wage increases.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
You liberals said corporate tax cuts wouldn't yield higher wages, why would decreased healthcare spending? Moreover, are you claiming there wouldn't be an increase in corporate taxes to pay for your socialized medicine?

 

[Truth Detector]

You pay higher taxes so all could have healthcare. but you also do not have to pay for healthcare out of your pocket. You do not pay deductibles either. The cost Americans would pay would be less. Your company does not have to buy healthcare and provide people to adminster it. That frees money up for wage increases.

Why does Government have to provide Americans with their healthcare? Are Americans too stupid to provide for themselves?

Obamacare ended up costing everyone MORE including doctors and lowering service levels. We don't need MORE Government interference, we need LESS. Government doesn't have a revenue problem, it has a SPENDING problem.

 

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And the millions that are not paid enough to even afford to pay taxes can't. And you are good with that as long as your gawds don't have to pay more in taxes.

Unlike you, I don’t trouble myself with what others pay or don’t pay as long as they are following the law

When it comes to leftists like yourself, one mans deduction is another mans loophole. Just like one mans lawyer is Trumps “fixer”

I would prefer a complete elimination of income taxes and a move to a national sales tax that all pay.

I would also implement massive cuts in federal spending eliminating entire departments and tearing down buildings and returning it to swamp land

 

[Truth Detector]

1. I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes for access to health care that wouldn't bankrupt me.

Why should we pay higher taxes for healthcare???

2. We could pay for the Universal Health Care by using the Republican Plan ... the one where we 'Cut Taxes' and get MORE Revenue.

We don't want or need Universal Healthcare mismanaged by a bunch of faceless bureaucrats. Take you dependency arguments are shove them where the sun never shines snowflake.

 

[Truth Detector]

I think he's asking a political question on a Political Forum about the future of Health Care in the US. (did you notice the following 'pic' by the same Poster?)

Wrong; he is bloviating a bunch of low IQ strawman claims in an attempt to defend the indefensible. If you had a brain, you could comprehend the obvious.

 

[LV426]

Europe has everything you talk about with much smaller populations per country.

Wouldn't larger populations mean a wider tax base?

Their tax rates run between 40% to 63%.

But in return, they get health care, education, etc.

So most likely with state and federal it could run as high as 73%.

Nonsense. Show your work.

 

[Truth Detector]

Of course not, But we are speculating about what national healthcare plans would do. If we win, you would.

We don't need to "speculate" what national healthcare would do; we can just look at how shitty it is where they have it.

 

[Truth Detector]

"I have little to no patience with liars or the willfully ignorant.

So you have no patience with yourself. Good to know!

 

[LV426]

Tax cuts don't result in lower revenues.

Yes they do, and we just saw it happen last year.

Here's Treasury's statements. You'll see that 2018 saw 2% less revenues from 2017.

 

[Truth Detector]

Cutting taxes without cutting spending, the REPUBLICANS do that, is the same thing as cutting revenue. You DO know taxes are called tax REVENUE for a reason, right countryboy?

They didn't "CUT" taxes you moron. Lowering tax rates has NEVER led to less revenue. If you weren't a dishonest partisan hack, you would know that.

 

[Truth Detector]

I've been working steadily since I was 15, moved out of my Mom's house when I was 17. I've collected 4 unemployment checks in my life, fuck face.

My dad died of cancer when I was kid, you piece of shit.

So fucking what? Your dishonest, low IQ efforts are indefensible snowflake.

 

[LV426]

I have no idea how many times this must be explained to brain dead libs

Here's Treasury's statements...you'll see revenues were 2% less in 2018 vs. 2017. That's solely because of the Russia Tax Cut you support.

It's the spending stupid.

No, you cut taxes, which cut revenues, which widened the deficit. Then you posture over the deficit. What a fraud.

 

[Truth Detector]

Now, some comments on Health Care from a good friend of mine in Finland

The wall doesn't help your society to function, health care does. By paying taxes for the hospitals to function you don't have to worry about how you pay the hospital bills when you fall ill yourself. The likelihood of you not requiring medical attention at some point of your life is basically non-existent, but the likelihood of you being unable to pay a medical bill when you do is highly likely.

Not to mention that taxes are secure funds for the health care to exist on, which means the budget can be controlled.

The case of Finland's current government trying to privatize the health care system in Finland is a fine example of how the currently upheld system is cheaper, more effective and has higher standards compared to the privatized system that would make services more unavailable while making them more costly to the government and the consumer.

The only one that benefits from privately owned health care are the companies that own the businesses. To everyone else the system is highly counter beneficial and costly.

I'm not saying Obamacare was perfect. It came out as perfect as the opposition let it, really. The insurance policies are straight down retarded in America.

I don't really understand how the Americans are so divided by mere brainwashing that they keep kicking themselves in the ass constantly. The corporate lobbying is your common enemy and yet all of you act like The Flat Earth Society defending some sort of ultimate truth that isn't based on logic or facts, but opinion alone.

Again, I'm not defending Obamacare. It differs a whole lot from how our system operates and maintains. We get our medication cheap. We get our hospital bills cheap. There are no middlemen like insurance companies in it, so 100% of the assets get used.

Hospitals are constantly expanding and are sponsors for almost any event in the community due to their "non-profit" status. And that's why you should be interested in our implementation of said system, that gets void of that problem entirely.

In our system hospitals are owned and maintained by the government with tax money, which makes it so that expanding said system comes out of need, not by a decision made by someone that owns the hospital or handles the insurance policies. Thus we citizens are able to partake in the deciding factors of this budget by voting. Your citizens hold zero power over your health care budget and have to just suck it up when they get sick.

This is why our system works better than yours. Because there are laws that make sure that the health care is for the people no matter their status. Because everyone maintains said system and benefits from it. It's due to well thought policies that we have a win/win situation in health care here in Finland.

Same with education; due to taxes people get free education, which eliminates the problem of universities hoarding money, for example. Again, 100% of the assets get used to actually educating people and no middle man benefits from this.

Both policies uphold the welfare of our citizens and make said platforms cheaper to upkeep.

And we can do this, because there are no middle men taking that 30 000 € for every student.

I'm going to tell you something else, too, we are headed towards a more socialistic society. Technology alone is going to put millions of people out of work. Just look at the transportation industry where everything is going automated. What we have now is not self-sustaining. It’s time to stop fighting the future and start preparing for it. The problem is that most of you don't even know what real Socialism is. I think there is confusion between true socialism and the term "socialism" that gets passed around the media. American society is already a pretty socialistic society. And it has been for a long time.

Move to Finland! Your dilemma is solved.

 

[LV426]

2. We could pay for the Universal Health Care by using the Republican Plan ... the one where we 'Cut Taxes' and get MORE Revenue.

Cutting taxes doesn't mean more revenue.

Taxes were cut in 2018, and the result was 2% less revenue than the prior year.

Here's Treasury's statements, see for yourself.

 

[LV426]

Tax cuts don't result in lower revenues.

Yes they do.

Here are the Treasury monthly statements, calculate for yourself!

Receipts
Jan-2017: $344,069
Feb-2017: $171,713
Mar-2017: $216,584
Apr-2017: $455,605
May-2017: $240,418
Jun-2017: $388,660
Jul-2017: $232,040
Aug-2017: $226,311
Sep-2017: $348,722
Oct-2017: $235,341
Nov-2017: $208,374
Dec-2017: $325,797
Total-2017: $3,393,634

Receipts
Jan-2018: $361,038
Feb-2018: $155,623
Mar-2018: $210,832
Apr-2018: $510,447
May-2018: $217,075
Jun-2018: $316,278
Jul-2018: $225,266
Aug-2018: $219,115
Sep-2018: $343,559
Oct-2018: $252,692
Nov-2018: $205,961
Dec-2018: $312,584
Total-2018: $3,330,474

So 2018 saw about $60B less revenues than 2017, according to Treasury's statements.

So the central premise of your belief system, that cutting taxes generates increased economic activity that results in increased revenues, is false and a total crock of shit disproved by Treasury's data.

 

[Truth Detector]

Your kind of ignorance just never understands the truth:

https://www.quora.com/Do-Europeans-dislike-the-high-tax-rates-they-have-to-pay

"Rather anecdotally, I’ll add that technically, I pay the highest rate of tax in Denmark on part of my salary. That would be in the high 50% category. There are however, lots of legal and sensible deductions that I can make. For example, all my pension contributions are taken off at source before I pay tax. I’m also allowed to deduct any interest payments on my mortgage, car or bank loan if I had one. My trade union membership is also deductible and there are many other exemptions, which bring down the tax threshold.

The point I’m trying to make is that while we often hear that everyone in Denmark has to pay nearly 60% in tax, it’s more usually a theoretical figure and no-one I know ever really pays that rate. There are simply too many other benefits to deduct first.

Most people I know, are in favour of paying taxes. We feel that we get something for our money and we’ve been fortunate in benefiting from society. This is payback time. I’m lucky to have a high salary, free education and healthcare, good roads, safe neighbourhoods and so on. Why wouldn’t I want to pay for it?


You do know that these countries have no "State" taxes, right?

https://www.investopedia.com/taxes/countries-highest-income-taxes/

You do know that all these countries have a VAT tax right? You do know that most Government healthcare plans do not include dental or eye care right?

You do know you are a willful moron right?

 

[Truth Detector]

Wasn't Reagan big on that one? Didn't quite work out ...

How did it not work out? Did revenues decline or go up?