Where's the calls for jail time for this wife beater?

christiefan915 said:
Well if you didn't see Pam grab the cell phone then you're judging her based on what wasn't filmed.

The film starts at the point where it attracted attention from others and none of us know what happened before then. However, people who were actually there said they'd been arguing for a good while.

"Eye witnesses told the San Francisco Chronicle they saw the couple arguing for about 20 minutes in a public plaza before the incident, and added that Pamela seemed “seemed pretty terrified” afterward. They said Baer only calmed down after two bystanders intervened."
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Christie: "Well if you didn't see Pam grab the cell phone then you're judging her based on what wasn't filmed."
Jack; That's true. (But to be fair, he did look like he was trying to get something in her hand)

Christie: "The film starts at the point where it attracted attention from others and none of us know what happened before then. However, people who were actually there said they'd been arguing for a good while."
Jack; Cool. Two people arguing. Big Deal.

Christie: "Eye witnesses told the San Francisco Chronicle they saw the couple arguing for about 20 minutes in a public plaza before the incident, and added that Pamela seemed “seemed pretty terrified” afterward."
Jack: And ... that means what?

Christie: "They said Baer only calmed down after two bystanders intervened."
Jack: Did he 'calm down' after he retrieved his phone? Is that what happened.

I'll try again. If Person A hadn't taken Person B cellphone ... do YOU think their would have been an 'incident'?
 
christiefan915 said:
Well if you didn't see Pam grab the cell phone then you're judging her based on what wasn't filmed.

"Pam Baer on Friday corroborated her husband’s description of the incident."

“My husband and I had an argument in public about which we are quite embarrassed,” she said in a statement (via the Chronicle). “I took his cellphone. He wanted it back and I did not want to give it back. I started to get up and the chair I was sitting in began to tip. Due to an injury I sustained in my foot three days ago, I lost my balance. I did not sustain any injury based on what happened today. Larry and I always have been and still are happily married.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...altercation-with-wife/?utm_term=.e177bcea5015
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Jack said:
Christie: "Well if you didn't see Pam grab the cell phone then you're judging her based on what wasn't filmed."
Jack; That's true. (But to be fair, he did look like he was trying to get something in her hand)

Christie: "The film starts at the point where it attracted attention from others and none of us know what happened before then. However, people who were actually there said they'd been arguing for a good while."
Jack; Cool. Two people arguing. Big Deal.

Christie: "Eye witnesses told the San Francisco Chronicle they saw the couple arguing for about 20 minutes in a public plaza before the incident, and added that Pamela seemed “seemed pretty terrified” afterward."
Jack: And ... that means what?

Christie: "They said Baer only calmed down after two bystanders intervened."
Jack: Did he 'calm down' after he retrieved his phone? Is that what happened.

I'll try again. If Person A hadn't taken Person B cellphone ... do YOU think their would have been an 'incident'?
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No, not an "incident" over a phone. And after she's on the ground and he has the phone, he just walks away from her. What a prince.
 
christiefan915 said:
No, not an "incident" over a phone. And after she's on the ground and he has the phone, he just walks away from her. What a prince.
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Christie: "What is this, elementary school?" (from Post #217)
Jack: (from link)---> "I took his cellphone. He wanted it back and I did not want to give it back."

Yes. Apparently it is Elementary School. This is called a 'Dumbass'. Christie, when you grow up, ... DON'T become a Dumbass.
 
christiefan915 said:
No, not an "incident" over a phone. And after she's on the ground and he has the phone, he just walks away from her. What a prince.
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I don't know about you, but I've noticed more than one male here triggered by this discussion. I admit to some anxiety about it myself, as a DV survivor. I don't think though that that's Jack's issue.
 
Jack said:
"Pam Baer on Friday corroborated her husband’s description of the incident."

“My husband and I had an argument in public about which we are quite embarrassed,” she said in a statement (via the Chronicle). “I took his cellphone. He wanted it back and I did not want to give it back. I started to get up and the chair I was sitting in began to tip. Due to an injury I sustained in my foot three days ago, I lost my balance. I did not sustain any injury based on what happened today. Larry and I always have been and still are happily married.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...altercation-with-wife/?utm_term=.e177bcea5015
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Interesting. Neither party used the words "stealing" or "theft" in regards to the phone. "Stealing" as in "to take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it."
 
Hard to believe there is even the slightest moral ambiguity here, nor that the debate could last 17 pages.

It is extremely rude to grab a phone from a spouse.

It is psychotic, way out of bounds, and possibly borderline criminal to practice your judo moves on your spouse to get the phone back.

Period, end of story.

It is extremely simple to diffuse the situation by any number of strategies that do not involve shoving, wrestling, or Judo moves.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I don't know about you, but I've noticed more than one male here triggered by this discussion. I admit to some anxiety about it myself, as a DV survivor. I don't think though that that's Jack's issue.
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I find it ASTONISHING that anyone is sticking up for this woman who CLEARLY started the physical altercation by taking the man's cellphone.
If the woman hadn't taken the man's phone, they would have just sat there arguing with each other.

Is 'sexism' at play here?
 
Jack said:
Christie: "What is this, elementary school?" (from Post #217)
Jack: (from link)---> "I took his cellphone. He wanted it back and I did not want to give it back."

Yes. Apparently it is Elementary School. This is called a 'Dumbass'. Christie, when you grow up, ... DON'T become a Dumbass.
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Neither used the words "stealing" or "theft" either. That's purely the hyperbole you guys are using to defend Baer's actions toward his wife.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I don't know about you, but I've noticed more than one male here triggered by this discussion. I admit to some anxiety about it myself, as a DV survivor. I don't think though that that's Jack's issue.
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I'll say. And their hyperbole re: stealing and theft is disturbing also.
 
Cypress said:
Hard to believe there is even the slightest moral ambiguity here, nor that the debate could last 17 pages.

It is extremely rude to grab a phone from a spouse.

It is psychotic, way out of bounds, and possibly borderline criminal to practice your judo moves on your spouse to get the phone back.

Period, end of story.

It is extremely simple to diffuse the situation by any number of strategies that do not involve shoving, wrestling, or Judo moves.
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I don't know why that's so easy for some of us to understand and so hard for some of them.
 
christiefan915 said:
Interesting. Neither party used the words "stealing" or "theft" in regards to the phone. "Stealing" as in "to take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it."
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Well, so far she admitted to 'taking' his cellphone. And admitted that 'he wanted it back'. And then went on to say 'I did not want to give it back'. So that would basically be stealing, even if she wanted to sugarcoat it.

Still sticking up for this Dumbass?
 
Jack said:
I find it ASTONISHING that anyone is sticking up for this woman who CLEARLY started the physical altercation by taking the man's cellphone.
If the woman hadn't taken the man's phone, they would have just sat there arguing with each other.

Is 'sexism' at play here?
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Once again Jack, nobody is sticking up for the woman only. Everyone is saying both were at fault.

But it doesn't say much for Baer that his rage was triggered by Pam taking his phone. What could possibly be on that phone to elicit such a response?
 
Cypress said:
Hard to believe there is even the slightest moral ambiguity here, nor that the debate could last 17 pages.

It is extremely rude to grab a phone from a spouse.

It is psychotic, way out of bounds, and possibly borderline criminal to practice your judo moves on your spouse to get the phone back.

Period, end of story.

It is extremely simple to diffuse the situation by any number of strategies that do not involve shoving, wrestling, or Judo moves.
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"Judo moves". See the problem? You're making up a false narrative ... then responding to the false narrative you've just made up. (Do you hang around Bigdog and or Truth Detector? They do the exact same thing)
 
Jack said:
Well, so far she admitted to 'taking' his cellphone. And admitted that 'he wanted it back'. And then went on to say 'I did not want to give it back'. So that would basically be stealing, even if she wanted to sugarcoat it.

Still sticking up for this Dumbass?
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You haven't read my comments, have you. </rhetorical> I'm going to type it bigger so it'll stay in your memory.

BOTH ARE AT FAULT.

She should not have taken the phone. He should not have reacted so violently to her taking the phone. It was a PHONE for god's sake, not the freaking Holy Grail.
 
christiefan915 said:
Once again Jack, nobody is sticking up for the woman only. Everyone is saying both were at fault.

But it doesn't say much for Baer that his rage was triggered by Pam taking his phone. What could possibly be on that phone to elicit such a response?
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hahahaha ... a number of people here ARE sticking up for the woman. Stating 'the man should go to jail'.
1. It's HIS phone, she has NO RIGHT to take HIS phone.
2. Maybe it's a thousand dollar phone and he's frightened that she's going to smash it?
 
Jack said:
hahahaha ... a number of people here ARE sticking up for the woman. Stating 'the man should go to jail'.
1. It's HIS phone, she has NO RIGHT to take HIS phone.
2. Maybe it's a thousand dollar phone and he's frightened that she's going to smash it?
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A number of people were concerned by his irrational response in getting the phone back. That doesn't mean a number of people are giving her a pass for taking the phone in the first place.
 
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