Pentagon blames Trump for resurgence of ISIS

Althea said:
Especially given that everyone was still foaming at the mouth over Hillary/Stevens in Libya. So ISIS made a comeback in Iraq, and were summarily squashed by the Obama Pentagon. We can't chase them around the world. Nor should we.
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ROFL..
Obama let them run wild into Iraq - he could have simply strafed the convoys to prevent ISIS occupation in Iraq

I guess he was too busy fucking up Libya into the FUBAR it remains to this day
 
Althea said:
Lol...a U.S ambassador recounting recent history is 'weak'.

It wasn't that long ago. You don't remember? As the citation states, the Iraqi govt. was an amalgam of distinct factions. Most wanted us out, and we wanted the same. Clearly, they weren't prepared to protect themselves. When ISIS started attacking everyone in the region that wasn't a zealot, it was safe to destroy them without as much concern for judgement about collateral damage.

Do you forget that they embedded within towns/villages? They were famous for using 'civilian shields'. Have you forgotten the exodus out of Mosul before the U.S moved in?



Of course he was unenthusiastic. We all were. Everyone wanted out, including Republicans. After Bush began his occupation in the region, the last thing we needed to do was to attack Syria.

Especially given that everyone was still foaming at the mouth over Hillary/Stevens in Libya. So ISIS made a comeback in Iraq, and were summarily squashed by the Obama Pentagon. We can't chase them around the world. Nor should we.
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Obama’s ambassador to Iraq is certainly capable of giving a biased account lol.

Of course, everyone wanted out of Iraq but only one person campaigned on it. Why is it a big deal that Obama screwed up by not doing whatever it took, diplomatically, to keep forces in Iraq? I’ve credited Trump for the resurgence of ISIS in Afghanistan because it was his policy that enabled them to reconstitute.

Why must Obama be held blameless?
 
Darth Omar said:
Obama’s ambassador to Iraq is certainly capable of giving a biased account lol.

Of course, everyone wanted out of Iraq but only one person campaigned on it. Why is it a big deal that Obama screwed up by not doing whatever it took, diplomatically, to keep forces in Iraq? I’ve credited Trump for the resurgence of ISIS in Afghanistan because it was his policy that enabled them to reconstitute.

Why must Obama be held blameless?
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Let's get back to the origins of this discussion. Sailor (that's him, dancing in the corner with the Yurt troll)made the claim that Obama was responsible for ISIS.

To make such a claim requires a gross lack of understanding. We all agree that the U.S was mandated to withdraw troops due to a previous SOF agreement. The vast majority in Iraq's govt. wanted the U.S out. (please tell you you haven't forgotten Abu Grahib?). The recent debacle in which a seal was acquitted of a war crimes is just one in a long line of atrocities that the Iraqi people saw every day.

No matter who long we stay in the region, ISIS will make a comeback the moment we leave. It's time for local forces to stand up and fight them. Most Iraqi soldiers abandoned their country and joined the jihadis once they came knocking.

Obama eradicated ISIS in Iraq just before leaving office. I'm not sure what your point is?
 
Althea said:
Let's get back to the origins of this discussion. Sailor (that's him, dancing in the corner with the Yurt troll)made the claim that Obama was responsible for ISIS.

To make such a claim requires a gross lack of understanding. We all agree that the U.S was mandated to withdraw troops due to a previous SOF agreement. The vast majority in Iraq's govt. wanted the U.S out. (please tell you you haven't forgotten Abu Grahib?). The recent debacle in which a seal was acquitted of a war crimes is just one in a long line of atrocities that the Iraqi people saw every day.

No matter who long we stay in the region, ISIS will make a comeback the moment we leave. It's time for local forces to stand up and fight them. Most Iraqi soldiers abandoned their country and joined the jihadis once they came knocking.

Obama eradicated ISIS in Iraq just before leaving office. I'm not sure what your point is?
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My point is Obama isn’t The Blameless One lol.

Sailor is correct that insofar as Obama’s ‘lack of enthusiasm’ coupled with his ‘JV’ dithering ‘makes him responsible’ for ISIS taking over in Iraq.
 
Darth Omar said:
My point is Obama isn’t The Blameless One lol.

Sailor is correct that insofar as Obama’s ‘lack of enthusiasm’ coupled with his ‘JV’ dithering ‘makes him responsible’ for ISIS taking over in Iraq.
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That's not what Sailor said. ISIS didn't take over Iraq. They moved across the country, and were summarily exterminated. By Obama
 
Althea said:
That's not what Sailor said. ISIS didn't take over Iraq. They moved across the country, and were summarily exterminated. By Obama
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You’re stuck on Sailor’s rhetoric.

Even if The Blameless One ‘summarily exterminated’ ISIS in Iraq, he still owns the fact they were able waltz in and take over so easily.

The analogy would be crediting someone for getting rid of the gnats after having left a bunch of rotten bananas on the counter for a week.
 
the term is ISIL = Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
Obama started a long slog to clean up his own mess after allowing ISIS to glom up huge swatches of Iraq and Syria.
You can;'t separate Iraq and Syria in terms of ISIS - they crossed borders with their caliphate
 
Darth Omar said:
You’re stuck on Sailor’s rhetoric.

Even if The Blameless One ‘summarily exterminated’ ISIS in Iraq, he still owns the fact they were able waltz in and take over so easily.

The analogy would be crediting someone for getting rid of the gnats after having left a bunch of rotten bananas on the counter for a week.
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Odd...that's exactly what Obama did after Bush opened the door to this mess.

Finally...you're all caught up.
 
Althea said:
LMAO. You might need a cheering section. I don't. The facts are in this thread. Most people don't have the time to waste with your public displays of stupidity.

I'm just between busy work on a Sunday night. So I humor myself by leading you around by your nose.

I can make you dance any time I want.

Eventually I'll grow bored and let you be.
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Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd still nothing. A true, modern day, upstate NY liberal dumb fuck Democrat. No facts, just talk out your ass. As you always do.
 
Darth Omar said:
Obama The Blameless One.
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There's a canyon between 'Dancin' Sailor's' claim, and yours. Somewhere in the middle is the truth, but you're getting closer to admitting your folly.

Bush destroyed the region forever. Obama couldn't or didn't think it worthwhile to come to a SOF agreement with the myriad factions running Iraq, so we cut back on troops. Both sides were actually happy with the outcome.

It proved to Iraqis that they're too incompetent to defend themselves against ISIS. Obama put the hammer down, and now trump has allowed a resurgence. It's going to keep happening until you and I are both in the grave.

Personally, I couldn't give a rat's ass about anyone in the region that doesn't recognize that zealotry isn't the answer.
 
Althea said:
There's a canyon between 'Dancin' Sailor's' claim, and yours. Somewhere in the middle is the truth, but you're getting closer to admitting your folly.

Bush destroyed the region forever. Obama couldn't or didn't think it worthwhile to come to a SOF agreement with the myriad factions running Iraq, so we cut back on troops. Both sides were actually happy with the outcome.

It proved to Iraqis that they're too incompetent to defend themselves against ISIS. Obama put the hammer down, and now trump has allowed a resurgence. It's going to keep happening until you and I are both in the grave.

Personally, I couldn't give a rat's ass about anyone in the region that doesn't recognize that zealotry isn't the answer.
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You don’t want to accept Obama’s responsibility for ISIS.

Why do you defend him when he’s irrelevant?
 
Fall of Mosul
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Mosul

In January 2014, ISIL took control of Fallujah and Ramadi, inciting conflict with the Iraqi Army. On 4 June, the insurgents began their efforts to capture Mosul. The Iraqi army had 30,000 soldiers and another 30,000 federal police stationed in the city, facing a 1,500-member attacking force. However, after six days of fighting, the city, Mosul International Airport, and the helicopters located there all fell under ISIL's control. An estimated 500,000 civilians fled from the city, due to the conflic
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look at the battles as to what happened between Iraqi forces and ISIL.

Obama didn't do much except he did give air cover and some 'trainers' to Iraq's Shia militias and army .
Iran/forces/militias and Hez in Syria were in on it too ( don't forget the Kurds)

No interaction between Iranian forces and the US either
 
dukkha said:
Fall of Mosul
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Mosul



look at the battles as to what happened between Iraqi forces and ISIL.

Obama didn't do much except he did give air cover and some 'trainers' to Iraq's Shia militias and army .
Iran/forces/militias and Hez in Syria were in on it too ( don't forget the Kurds)

No interaction between Iranian forces and the US either
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Water under the bridge.

As I said before, the least-bad option for Trump is whack a mole in Afghanistan and I think he should withdraw before 2020. Al Qaeda attacked us from Afghanistan prior to our post-9/11 counter terrorism measures instituted under Bush The Hated and kept in place by Obama The Blameless.

Trump needs to stick to his America First guns on this: unless ISIS in Afghanistan becomes a top tier threat to the homeland—they/it gets kicked to the back burner. If it looks like they are going to amass more territory, there’s plenty we can do with air power and drones to make their lives miserable. That means accepting some collateral damage [especially with the drones] but it’s a least-bad thing.

But if there are better options—let’s hear them.
 
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