Southerners Die Young

Micawber said:
In the United States both scholars and the general public have been conditioned to viewing human races as natural and separate divisions within the human species based on visible physical differences. With the vast expansion of scientific knowledge in this century, however, it has become clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that most physical variation, about 94%, lies within so-called racial groups. Conventional geographic "racial" groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes. This means that there is greater variation within "racial" groups than between them. In neighboring populations there is much overlapping of genes and their phenotypic (physical) expressions. Throughout history whenever different groups have come into contact, they have interbred. The continued sharing of genetic materials has maintained all of humankind as a single species.
Physical variations in any given trait tend to occur gradually rather than abruptly over geographic areas. And because physical traits are inherited independently of one another, knowing the range of one trait does not predict the presence of others. For example, skin color varies largely from light in the temperate areas in the north to dark in the tropical areas in the south; its intensity is not related to nose shape or hair texture. Dark skin may be associated with frizzy or kinky hair or curly or wavy or straight hair, all of which are found among different indigenous peoples in tropical regions. These facts render any attempt to establish lines of division among biological populations both arbitrary and subjective.
Historical research has shown that the idea of "race" has always carried more meanings than mere physical differences; indeed, physical variations in the human species have no meaning except the social ones that humans put on them. Today scholars in many fields argue that "race" as it is understood in the United States of America was a social mechanism invented during the 18th century to refer to those populations brought together in colonial America: the English and other European settlers, the conquered Indian peoples, and those peoples of Africa brought in to provide slave labor.
From its inception, this modern concept of "race" was modeled after an ancient theorem of the Great Chain of Being, which posited natural categories on a hierarchy established by God or nature. Thus "race" was a mode of classification linked specifically to peoples in the colonial situation. It subsumed a growing ideology of inequality devised to rationalize European attitudes and treatment of the conquered and enslaved peoples. Proponents of slavery in particular during the 19th century used "race" to justify the retention of slavery. The ideology magnified the differences among Europeans, Africans, and Indians, established a rigid hierarchy of socially exclusive categories underscored and bolstered unequal rank and status differences, and provided the rationalization that the inequality was natural or God-given. The different physical traits of African-Americans and Indians became markers or symbols of their status differences.
As they were constructing US society, leaders among European-Americans fabricated the cultural/behavioral characteristics associated with each "race," linking superior traits with Europeans and negative and inferior ones to blacks and Indians. Numerous arbitrary and fictitious beliefs about the different peoples were institutionalized and deeply embedded in American thought.
Early in the 19th century the growing fields of science began to reflect the public consciousness about human differences. Differences among the "racial" categories were projected to their greatest extreme when the argument was posed that Africans, Indians, and Europeans were separate species, with Africans the least human and closer taxonomically to apes.
Ultimately "race" as an ideology about human differences was subsequently spread to other areas of the world. It became a strategy for dividing, ranking, and controlling colonized people used by colonial powers everywhere. But it was not limited to the colonial situation. In the latter part of the 19th century it was employed by Europeans to rank one another and to justify social, economic, and political inequalities among their peoples. During World War II, the Nazis under Adolf Hitler enjoined the expanded ideology of "race" and "racial" differences and took them to a logical end: the extermination of 11 million people of "inferior races" (e.g., Jews, Gypsies, Africans, homosexuals, and so forth) and other unspeakable brutalities of the Holocaust.
"Race" thus evolved as a worldview, a body of prejudgments that distorts our ideas about human differences and group behavior. Racial beliefs constitute myths about the diversity in the human species and about the abilities and behavior of people homogenized into "racial" categories. The myths fused behavior and physical features together in the public mind, impeding our comprehension of both biological variations and cultural behavior, implying that both are genetically determined. Racial myths bear no relationship to the reality of human capabilities or behavior. Scientists today find that reliance on such folk beliefs about human differences in research has led to countless errors.
At the end of the 20th century, we now understand that human cultural behavior is learned, conditioned into infants beginning at birth, and always subject to modification. No human is born with a built-in culture or language. Our temperaments, dispositions, and personalities, regardless of genetic propensities, are developed within sets of meanings and values that we call "culture." Studies of infant and early childhood learning and behavior attest to the reality of our cultures in forming who we are.
It is a basic tenet of anthropological knowledge that all normal human beings have the capacity to learn any cultural behavior. The American experience with immigrants from hundreds of different language and cultural backgrounds who have acquired some version of American culture traits and behavior is the clearest evidence of this fact. Moreover, people of all physical variations have learned different cultural behaviors and continue to do so as modern transportation moves millions of immigrants around the world.
How people have been accepted and treated within the context of a given society or culture has a direct impact on how they perform in that society. The "racial" worldview was invented to assign some groups to perpetual low status, while others were permitted access to privilege, power, and wealth. The tragedy in the United States has been that the policies and practices stemming from this worldview succeeded all too well in constructing unequal populations among Europeans, Native Americans, and peoples of African descent. Given what we know about the capacity of normal humans to achieve and function within any culture, we conclude that present-day inequalities between so-called "racial" groups are not consequences of their biological inheritance but products of historical and contemporary social, economic, educational, and political circumstances.
[Note: For further information on human biological variations, see the statement prepared and issued by the American Association of Physical Anthropologists, 1996 (AJPA 101:569-570).]

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Nothing arbitrary and subjective about those numbers.
 
Micawber said:
Uh, ….he's apparently a pretty skilled white boxer, and so was Gerry Cooney. Do you see black people behind every tree? In your dreams? :rolleyes:
I totally proved my claims. You, like all Trump pukes ignore evidence and fact. I don't have to reveal my true identity to you to reveal a true fact about me, and I did.
Every fitness milestone I stated was documented in a single photo with the gear, tech shirts, memorabilia to back them up. What about some guy you'll
never know running some marathons or triathlons hurts you so deeply? If you said take a Superseal triathlon tee-shirt and medal and put it next to a purple
tulip and todays paper, I could have done it. You didn't. You don't care. You are here to troll race and lie your ass off fat lazy old fool.

You voted for a criminal loser and we all foresaw this. That means you aren't worth the tartar the dentist scrapes off my molars, piece of shit Repuke racist.
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"Because I said so" isn't proof. I didn't ignore a single fact since none were presented.

What about being expected to provide verifiable proof hurts you so deeply?
 
CFM said:
"Because I said so" isn't proof. I didn't ignore a single fact since none were presented.

What about being expected to provide verifiable proof hurts you so deeply?
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Sorry, superloser. I didn't say I could prove who I was so you could stalk me.

And I didn't just say so about the marathons, halfs, international triathlon, Olympic tris, Ironman tri and gran fondo, when you and/or TOP doubted it, I showed so. You seem to think that a person
has to reveal their personal identity to you to prove a fact, creepy racist fool. You don't. The reason they give out that tchochskies for events is precisely to identify
the person who has then did them. That's what memorabilia is all about. I put forward good internet evidence that the dude you are embarrassing yourself against
was truthing. Your burden now to concoct an extravagant tale about how I accomplished that and didn't actually do the events. Come on, you are a creative racist.
I'm sure you can come up with something. But you don't need to prove a fact about yourself by forfeiting your identity. You should know, you have proven you are
a racist piece of shit Trumtard without compromising yours. ;)
 
There are a host of problems with the whole race to IQ thing

Foremost to me is the assigning of intelligence and all the facets of itand hanging a digit on a human and claiming that describes that.

Second, I disagree with its essential immutability. I think it is at least to some degree variable.

Third, the whole nature/nurture and chicken /egg dichotomy.

4th, when extrapolated to races, the difficulty of assigning and defining race as a thing.

5th the designing of tests to supposedly measure this ephemeral intrinsic and immutable trait of intelligence.

6 fact is the experts use different tests, so that proves the difficulty. If IQ were like blood typing, there would be one IQ test not dozens with infinite question variability.

7 white people made up the whole idea so confirmation bias enters the equation. Would black people score better on a test they designed?Likely
 
katzgar said:
https://vizhub.healthdata.org/subnational/usa
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The problem with your RACE BAITING and BIGOTRY against southerners? The majority of the US Black Population live in the south.....never thought this little piece of propaganda out to well...did ya? Another inconvenient fact? It appears the Black race of people are slowly but surely being consumed by other races and assimilated into the population. The days of RACE BAITING in the US will go the way of the DODO bird. Race baiters like Little Big Al Sharpton....with the oversized head (looks like a Sharpton Bobble Head now days)…..and his church of never ending bigotry will be lost to the genetic pool …...Jesse Jackson will no longer be able to take money from poor black folk by pointing out how their skin color is holding them down.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/2010_census/cb11-cn185.html
 
Ralph said:
The problem with your RACE BAITING and BIGOTRY against southerners? The majority of the US Black Population live in the south.....never thought this little piece of propaganda out to well...did ya? Another inconvenient fact? It appears the Black race of people are slowly but surely being consumed by other races and assimilated into the population. The days of RACE BAITING in the US will go the way of the DODO bird. Race baiters like Little Big Al Sharpton....with the oversized head (looks like a Sharpton Bobble Head now days)…..and his church of never ending bigotry will be lost to the genetic pool …...Jesse Jackson will no longer be able to take money from poor black folk by pointing out how their skin color is holding them down.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/2010_census/cb11-cn185.html
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What a silly theory. Black people are all over and a majority of people in the south are white, and you are all conservatards, doing the church and don't work hard thing you people
do. It's hot. Your days of sitting on the porch fanning yourselves while Betty Davis sings raise a rukas are over. Get off your fleshy white ass and do some work, colonel Sanders!
 
Micawber said:
What a silly theory. Black people are all over and a majority of people in the south are white, and you are all conservatards, doing the church and don't work hard thing you people
do. It's hot. Your days of sitting on the porch fanning yourselves while Betty Davis sings raise a rukas are over. Get off your fleshy white ass and do some work, colonel Sanders!
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If you are lamely somehow attempting to show that you are not a racist, you are failing. Per usual.
 
Truth is that the south is poorer, there is less and worse medical care and the diet is bad. Nothing else.
Black people with money and good medical care don't suffer worse outcomes. Maybe sickle cell anemia or
a few race specific diseases, but that's it as far as race being a cause of mortality. People die young when they
lack good water, good food, clean air, and exercise. Those are money, political choice and geographic problems
more than race.
 
Micawber said:
What a silly theory. Black people are all over and a majority of people in the south are white, and you are all conservatards, doing the church and don't work hard thing you people
do. It's hot. Your days of sitting on the porch fanning yourselves while Betty Davis sings raise a rukas are over. Get off your fleshy white ass and do some work, colonel Sanders!
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Theory? LMAO:laugh:...….the information came directly from BIG BROTHER......the 2010 Consensus. :palm::readit: The number of Mixed marriage and interracial coupling has more than doubled since the turn of the century. Can't read? Try the government's audio book library for the physical and mentally impaired.
 
CFM said:
When the claim of an average 85 IQ is made, it's a fact. When the claim about a 75% bastard birth rate is made, it's a fact. When the claim that 1 in every 3 1/2 uses food stamps is made, it's a fact.

Facts can't promote hate and if someone has a conflict with facts, that's their problem.
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Facts can promote hate if a person only emphasizes negative characteristics of a group while ignoring positive accomplishments and contributions. That is true whether we are talking about blacks, Southerners, or working class Trump voters.
 
Micawber said:
What a silly theory. Black people are all over and a majority of people in the south are white, and you are all conservatards, doing the church and don't work hard thing you people
do. It's hot. Your days of sitting on the porch fanning yourselves while Betty Davis sings raise a rukas are over. Get off your fleshy white ass and do some work, colonel Sanders!
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Somebody has been watching too many movies. You forgot to include Uncle Remus and Aunt Jemima.
 
Ralph said:
Theory? LMAO:laugh:...….the information came directly from BIG BROTHER......the 2010 Consensus. :palm::readit: The number of Mixed marriage and interracial coupling has more than doubled since the turn of the century. Can't read? Try the government's audio book library for the physical and mentally impaired.
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You should be laughing at yourself. I attacked your theory and causation, (applicability of the fact) stupid. It appears you think a fact you pick = broad conclusion.

You think the census said black people cause higher mortality? It didn't. It says how many people live somewhere.

To get you to the end zone you need:

(black people die early because of their static genetics + there are disproportionately high black people in the south + everything else that could cause it is nullset= earlier mortality in south

all you've said are back people are there more than north and west....:palm:

All the OP said was earlier mortality in the south. That is true, what you said is just racist chum.
 
Flash said:
Facts can promote hate if a person only emphasizes negative characteristics of a group while ignoring positive accomplishments and contributions. That is true whether we are talking about blacks, Southerners, or working class Trump voters.
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HATE TRUTH? :bigthink:

Facts always = TRUTH. Facts are objectively testable, repeatable/reproducible by anyone that does the research regardless of any consensus OPINION. This is like declaring that Climate Change is a product of man made carbon production....because its a CONSENSUS. Facts are not dependent upon a consensus. The supposed consensus at one time promoted the supposed SCIENTFIC consensus that the earth was the center of the solar system and the sun revolved around the earth (its still engrained in modern terminology.....SUN SET, SUN RISE...etc., the facts differ.... when the sun never rises nor sets, its fixed in space in relation to the solar system that it energizes). The consensus also held as truth at one time....the earth was flat (even today...you have proponents of this ideology).

There is no such animal as HATE TRUTH....as stated via the Christ (if you hold to the Judeo/Christian moral code of philosophy). Truth is an act of love...as TRUTH is the only thing that can set you FREE. (John 8:32). Truth is the only thing that can free you from the trappings of worldly immorality.

Truth is never a spirit of bondage, (Romans 8:15)….Truth is a spirit of LIBERTY (2 Cor. 3:17)

What is truth? "Sanctify them by YOUR (God) TRUTH......YOUR (God) WORD is truth. (John 17:17)
 
Micawber said:
All the OP said was earlier mortality in the south. That is true, what you said is just racist chum.
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What was the point about stating there is earlier mortality in the South?

If is was just to make a descriptive statement, then pointing out that mortality is higher among blacks and the South has a higher percentage of blacks than other regions just gives a more complete description. There is nothing racist about pointing out that fact unless a person claims a genetic predisposition or inferiority.

If a region has more blacks who have higher mortality, lower educational level, and higher crime rate, then it is only rational that the entire region would be higher in mortality and crime and lower in education because blacks bring down the average. If you look at education, for example, there is not much difference between each individual race in all the states. The factor that affects the education score of all students in a state is the percentage of minorities in each state.

But I suspect race was brought up because the original OP was not to just make a descriptive statement, but it was to further the bigoted agenda of some JPP posters suggesting Southern whites are somewhat less than human and inferior. Other posters brought up the race issue to counter the stupid and bigoted remarks about Southern whites by pointing out much of the mortality rate (and other demographics) is partly due to a large black population.

Those same posters squealed for glee when the hurricanes and floods were drowning Southern crackers while it was primarily hitting large urban areas with large minority populations that voted Democratic. Their pretend disdain for racism is hypocrisy at its worst when they hate and denigrate any other group.
 
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