A reality check on the corona virus reactions.

Havana Moon said:
New York hospitals are treating coronavirus patients with high dosages of VITAMIN C after promising results from China

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...orona-patients-6000-milligrams-VITAMIN-C.html
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Took them long enough. Alternative medicine advocates and homeopathic practitioners have been saying for decades the therapeutic value of vitamin C has been under-rated. I would like to know what roll traditional Chinese medicine has played in the rural areas of China as well.
 
Cypress said:
I have repeatedly said that the panic and hoarding is ridiculous and unmerited

I believe the reason COVID-19 is substantially different than the common cold is that it has potential to overwhelm the healthcare system. The rate of infection, the fraction of patients requiring hospitalization, and the mortality rate are substantially higher than common influenza strains, according to the medical experts.
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It's contagious rate may be higher, but it's not panning out to be the next bubonic plague like the MSM and medical profession here is treating it. NY Gov. Cuomo speculated that in a month or two about 40% of those infected (determined by testing for anti-bodies) would have been sick and recovered in about 2 weeks without hospitalization. I don't know where he got that estimate, but given that this stuff was in the country for over a month before our officials acted would give credence to his theory.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Accusations were made in a clearly sarcastic manner, to which I responded in a rational, logical manner. My references to infection rates are valid, and I wanted to know how my previous statements were misinterpreted. I'm waiting for a response.

Given this, your accusation just doesn't make sense. If you can logically and factually prove what you say WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE OP and this discussion, then please elaborate.
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You're not even man enough to stand behind what you said, boy.

Thanks for proving my point. You'd be better off going back into hiding so I don't have to embarrass your dumbass again.
 
Taichiliberal said:
It's contagious rate may be higher, but it's not panning out to be the next bubonic plague like the MSM and medical profession here is treating it. NY Gov. Cuomo speculated that in a month or two about 40% of those infected (determined by testing for anti-bodies) would have been sick and recovered in about 2 weeks without hospitalization. I don't know where he got that estimate, but given that this stuff was in the country for over a month before our officials acted would give credence to his theory.
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Hopefully you'll get it and die.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Some facts regarding domestic and global numbers:

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-map-tracking-spread-us-world/story?id=69415591

Here's my point: Since this virus shows a higher contagious rate than previous flus and viruses, I would expect a more stringent response from health officials, as they don't really have a handle on this strain. As with everything in this country, we tend to over-react....but I'm not going to submit to the conspiracy theory that's this is all a test run for a totalitarian state....especially since the economic strains have financial and social leaders chomping at the bit to "get back to normal" business.
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Still hoping you and your entire family gets it.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
That might be the same for other small towns in America...something not touted on network news. My thing is the numbers just don't jibe with this "it's 90% fatal!" mantra. This stuff has been in the general population for 6 weeks before our national health departments got their butts in gear.....by their reckoning, people should be dropping like flies by now. It's OVER-reaction.
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One...I have NEVER heard the 90% fatal number anywhere...NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THAT. Chances are the rate will be less than 2%...even for old-geezers like me.

No problemo for the people who feel everything is being over-hyped. Go out and enjoy yourselves. Have parties,,,get-togethers. Send your kids to school...and church. Go to work...mingle with your co-workers.

Those of us who live in or near New York City have to be a lot more careful.

But there is nothing wrong with you guys who see no danger being more free-wheeling and care-free.

What could go wrong?
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No, they never said that exacly....I was pointing to the generalized idea of how "deadly" this virus could be...as the early reports focused on Italy's mortality and severe case numbers as well as China. Then there was this gem https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/top...outbreak-is-going-to-get-worse-in-the-us.html.

I would say that your second paragraph promotes a bit of recklessness, as people due tend to travel over state lines. A little caution, self restraint and common sense goes a long way …. unless you live relatively isolated in mountainous or desert like regions.

I trust you were being a bit sarcastic at times.
 
Penderyn said:
Originally Posted by Frank Apisa
One...I have NEVER heard the 90% fatal number anywhere...NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THAT. Chances are the rate will be less than 2%...even for old-geezers like me.

No problemo for the people who feel everything is being over-hyped. Go out and enjoy yourselves. Have parties,,,get-togethers. Send your kids to school...and church. Go to work...mingle with your co-workers.

Those of us who live in or near New York City have to be a lot more careful.

But there is nothing wrong with you guys who see no danger being more free-wheeling and care-free.

What could go wrong?
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The general theory here is that covid 19 is not desperately serious for the majority of people, but for certain vulnerable groups the death rate is around 15% - and you can't ever be certain you're not in those groups. It is clearly extremely contagious, and when a lot of people get it, a lot of vulnerable people end up in hospital, swamping the available equipment, particularly of beds with ventilators available, so that there's a real danger of people's dying, and not only of covid 19, because the doctors get infected or worn out. It's a question, really, of whether you can finance people to stay quiet under a sort of house arrest, and the times they are talking about seem to me a bit hopeful! I'd heard New Your was getting it bad. Isn't it?
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By "bad" you mean the rate of infection for those being tested increases daily....as to people being hospitalized and/or dying....low in comparison. Check the OP link.
 
Taichiliberal said:
If you believe that, then don't bother further reading or commenting on this thread. My offer stands....your being off my IA list should demonstrate that.
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Still proving that the only thing you consider rational is someone agreeing with you or saying what you want to hear.

You're such a puss that when someone doesn't, you put them on IA so you can tend to your hurt feelings.

Grow a thicker sin, boy. Life is going to be long and hard if you can't take that everyone isn't going to do it the way you think they should.
 
Gonzomin said:
On one hand, you have the military generals who work without slant and bias saying it will be late June or July before it gets better. You have doctors and hospital staff who are on the ground floor saying it is getting worse and worse. They can project when they will be unable to handle the deluge of Corona patients.
On the other side, you have Trump saying what he thinks benefits him in the election. I know what side the rightys are on. Forget scientists and the generals. Trump knows more than anyone ever did.
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But the predictions and projections are NOT matching up to the daily tally; the more people tested, the more are typed with the anti-bodies....but the number of infected being hospitalized for way short of that, and the number of related deaths way short of even that.

A nasty virus to be sure, and caution should be taken. But it's not the bubonic plague. that being said, you are spot on regarding Dump and his daily press conference follies!
 
CFM said:
^^^A prime example of someone that needs to get it and die.
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Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me; it's just incredible that someone can be as stupid as you are and still be out in public.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Originally Posted by Penderyn
The general theory here is that covid 19 is not desperately serious for the majority of people, but for certain vulnerable groups the death rate is around 15% - and you can't ever be certain you're not in those groups. It is clearly extremely contagious, and when a lot of people get it, a lot of vulnerable people end up in hospital, swamping the available equipment, particularly of beds with ventilators available, so that there's a real danger of people's dying, and not only of covid 19, because the doctors get infected or worn out. It's a question, really, of whether you can finance people to stay quiet under a sort of house arrest, and the times they are talking about seem to me a bit hopeful! I'd heard New Your was getting it bad. Isn't it?
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My guess is that by the end of this week...certainly by the end of next week...New York City will be considered the epicenter of the Coronavirus throughout the world.

They are getting hammered!
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https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...-corona-virus-reactions&p=3557044#post3557044
 
Taichiliberal said:
No, they never said that exacly....I was pointing to the generalized idea of how "deadly" this virus could be...as the early reports focused on Italy's mortality and severe case numbers as well as China. Then there was this gem https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/top...outbreak-is-going-to-get-worse-in-the-us.html.

I would say that your second paragraph promotes a bit of recklessness, as people due tend to travel over state lines. A little caution, self restraint and common sense goes a long way …. unless you live relatively isolated in mountainous or desert like regions.

I trust you were being a bit sarcastic at times.
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You "trust"correctly. I guess I shoulda posted that in green font...to make it clear.

I think the reasonable, intelligent thing to do...is to treat the worst case scenario. If it turns out to be less than dire predictions, you just ease back. If you treat it as the best case scenario...and things start to go off the cliff...really bad things can happen.
 
Trumpet said:
Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me; it's just incredible that someone can be as stupid as you are and still be out in public.
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Yet you're the one that voted for an incompetent black POS thinking skin color was a qualification. Sad part is you're proud of having voted for that reason and that reason only.
 
Frank Apisa said:
You "trust"correctly. I guess I shoulda posted that in green font...to make it clear.

I think the reasonable, intelligent thing to do...is to treat the worst case scenario. If it turns out to be less than dire predictions, you just ease back. If you treat it as the best case scenario...and things start to go off the cliff...really bad things can happen.
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In other words, your old ass is scared shitless and expects everyone else to do the same.
 
Taichiliberal said:
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...-corona-virus-reactions&p=3557044#post3557044
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As I understand it, if New York City were a country...it would rank 7th in the world for reported cases. AND its exponential progression (doubling time) is shorter than anywhere else.

People leaving NYC are asked to self-quarantine for 14 days. People who have recently visited NYC (of which there are tons here in central New Jersey) are also expected to self-quarantine for 14 days.

Stopping (actually, slowing down) the progression of transmission should be our focus right now.
 
Eagle-Eye said:
The first US case was reported on Jan 20, 2020 54 days later 25 Mar 2020 there are 54,428 confirmed cases in all 50 states.
I would hardly call our response Federal and local an hysterical over reaction oh I have never heard a 90% death rate.
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Here's the time lines:

In general: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/06/health/wuhan-coronavirus-timeline-fast-facts/index.html

From Trump administration: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...dministration-s-response-coronavirus-n1162206

No, no one said 90% kill rate, that was my general impression based on stuff like this: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/top...outbreak-is-going-to-get-worse-in-the-us.html
 
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