A reality check on the corona virus reactions.

Micawber said:
600 corpses in this country alone are unable to accept your invitation, evil fucking moron.
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Pay attention: I'm not diminishing the sadness of loss to a disease....I'm merely pointing out that given the rate of infection to that of hospitalized to that of death do NOT warrant the near hysteria as if this were the bubonic plague.


https://www.bing.com/search?q=coron...a862843ce9ffacf43edf91a92&cc=US&setlang=en-US


Do some research as to how many folk die in the USA from seasonal flu each year.
 
I<3Big Anime Tiddies said:
Originally Posted by Stone
No reason to play semantics. You KNOW what Im talking about. The demand is only this high because of panic buying when there is no need for it. I encourage everyone to buy as they normally would, do that and full shelves will return as there is more than enuff for everyone. Or....... people can continue to act like idiots and cause the empty shelves which in turn means someone goes without.
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You'll forgive people for panicking as we enter the 2nd Great Depression. What was originally proposed as a 2 week quarantine is now at least 1 month for all affected and some have no specified end date at all.
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Ahhh, but there lies the rub….the projected "depression" post the coronavirus dissipation...more smoke and mirrors from the wealthy folk. If Bloomberg took all the money he wasted on a presidential candidate nomination he knew damned well he wasn't going to get, think of all the good that money would have gone to the various efforts dealing with this epidemic! In New York, a reinstatement of the transaction tax would solve a LOT of problems, in addition to stopping tax breaks for corporations to set up shop here.
As this pans out to be akin to another flu season, the "quarantine" will be a lot shorter than predicted.
 
Truth Detector said:
I agree with you; but it is YOUR side on the left that are creating the hysteria. ;)

Here's what you said during a far worse epidemic during Obamunsim; were you wrong back in 2009?

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
IMHO, it's just the latest phase in the unholy alliance between the FDA and pharmaceutical industry. When I saw that chick from the WHO declare a pandemic (and if she didn't, I'll take it back), I practically lept from my chair!

The worldwide death toll from this particular strain wasn't even enough to rate a percentage point as to how many people DIE annually in the USA from flu viruses that have been with us ever since I can remember.

Interesting that time tested cures and remedies have to wait YEARS before the FDA decides that they can market with declarations of they cure.....while suddenly VACCINES are being rushed through for the N1H1....a flu viruse that compared to others is NOT even exceptionally lethal.

As the old saying goes, follow the money!
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You're not making sense.....If I criticized the Obama administration for a similar situation, why should I spare the Trump administration for a similar action?

As for you solely blaming the Democrats, the facts don't support you: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...dministration-s-response-coronavirus-n1162206
 
Truth Detector said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Nope, it's federal.....who have near daily press conference telling the world who is in charge, leading the pack. Sometimes us old heads refer to the federal gov't as "the state" and lump in local gov't as state, county, city.
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The fed can only assist. The Governors of each state are in charge. :rolleyes: We still don't live in a Fascistic third world shit hole leftist dictatorship. ;)
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FYI:

https://variety.com/2020/politics/n...national-emergency-disaster-funds-1203533812/
 
Taichiliberal said:
Ahhh, but there lies the rub….the projected "depression" post the coronavirus dissipation...more smoke and mirrors from the wealthy folk. If Bloomberg took all the money he wasted on a presidential candidate nomination he knew damned well he wasn't going to get, think of all the good that money would have gone to the various efforts dealing with this epidemic! In New York, a reinstatement of the transaction tax would solve a LOT of problems, in addition to stopping tax breaks for corporations to set up shop here.
As this pans out to be akin to another flu season, the "quarantine" will be a lot shorter than predicted.
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It's already been extended. My company, who is partially a defense contractor, is shutting down for 3 weeks. We just turned away the DoD for "critical parts" about an hour ago.

So in a month or two our military ability, especially beyond our borders, will have to be reduced significantly. And that doesn't even factor in the now "unknown" back to work date for the entire auto industry.
 
CFM said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
It's contagious rate may be higher, but it's not panning out to be the next bubonic plague like the MSM and medical profession here is treating it. NY Gov. Cuomo speculated that in a month or two about 40% of those infected (determined by testing for anti-bodies) would have been sick and recovered in about 2 weeks without hospitalization. I don't know where he got that estimate, but given that this stuff was in the country for over a month before our officials acted would give credence to his theory.
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Hopefully you'll get it and die.
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It's evident by your irrational response that you can't get past your animosity towards my political and social stances. I took you out of IA and offered a rational, fact based debate.
Clearly, you're incapable of this. Back into the IA bin you go.
 
CFM said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Accusations were made in a clearly sarcastic manner, to which I responded in a rational, logical manner. My references to infection rates are valid, and I wanted to know how my previous statements were misinterpreted. I'm waiting for a response.

Given this, your accusation just doesn't make sense. If you can logically and factually prove what you say WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE OP and this discussion, then please elaborate.
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You're not even man enough to stand behind what you said, boy.

Thanks for proving my point. You'd be better off going back into hiding so I don't have to embarrass your dumbass again.
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It's evident by your irrational response that you can't get past your animosity towards my political and social stances. I took you out of IA and offered a rational, fact based debate.
Clearly, you're incapable of this. Back into the IA bin you go.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
No, they never said that exacly....I was pointing to the generalized idea of how "deadly" this virus could be...as the early reports focused on Italy's mortality and severe case numbers as well as China. Then there was this gem https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/top-...in-the-us.html.

I would say that your second paragraph promotes a bit of recklessness, as people due tend to travel over state lines. A little caution, self restraint and common sense goes a long way …. unless you live relatively isolated in mountainous or desert like regions.

I trust you were being a bit sarcastic at times.
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You "trust"correctly. I guess I shoulda posted that in green font...to make it clear.

I think the reasonable, intelligent thing to do...is to treat the worst case scenario. If it turns out to be less than dire predictions, you just ease back. If you treat it as the best case scenario...and things start to go off the cliff...really bad things can happen.
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The problem with your approach, Frank, is that the over-reaction is turning into a "worse case scenario"....small businesses going bankrupt, off the scale unemployment applications, some corporations already whining for federal compensations.

Instead of focusing on shoring up our hospitals and PSA's on moderation/restraint of public activities, we have this 'it's the bubonic plague" scenario. Not good. A balance can be found, if we want it.
 
Taichiliberal said:
It's evident by your irrational response that you can't get past your animosity towards my political and social stances. I took you out of IA and offered a rational, fact based debate.
Clearly, you're incapable of this. Back into the IA bin you go.
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It's evident by your response that I hit the nail on the head about you, boy.

Run like goddamn coward, son.
 
Frank Apisa said:
As I understand it, if New York City were a country...it would rank 7th in the world for reported cases. AND its exponential progression (doubling time) is shorter than anywhere else.

People leaving NYC are asked to self-quarantine for 14 days. People who have recently visited NYC (of which there are tons here in central New Jersey) are also expected to self-quarantine for 14 days.

Stopping (actually, slowing down) the progression of transmission should be our focus right now.
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Again, the number of cases increases as the number of tests increases....and this stuff has been in the country for a month before the gov't got it's butt in gear. So the number of hospitalizations should be higher.....they're not. The number of deaths should be higher...they're not. Quarantines are fine, NOT the shut down mode we're in for the months projected.
 
Taichiliberal said:
The problem with your approach, Frank, is that the over-reaction is turning into a "worse case scenario"....small businesses going bankrupt, off the scale unemployment applications, some corporations already whining for federal compensations.

Instead of focusing on shoring up our hospitals and PSA's on moderation/restraint of public activities, we have this 'it's the bubonic plague" scenario. Not good. A balance can be found, if we want it.
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I doubt "a balance" can be found, Taich. I suspect it must go one way or the other. There must be a TOTAL commitment to containment by ABSOLUTE quarantine...or allow people to work, earn and spend...which means the containment is not absolute.

Most experts tell us partial does not work. Partial leads to the Italian scenario. Total leads to the South Korean scenario. Or at least we hope it does.

We'll see how this plays out. I just wish I had more confidence in the leadership. I have almost none.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Again, the number of cases increases as the number of tests increases....and this stuff has been in the country for a month before the gov't got it's butt in gear. So the number of hospitalizations should be higher.....they're not. The number of deaths should be higher...they're not. Quarantines are fine, NOT the shut down mode we're in for the months projected.
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I suspect we will find out...because the powers that be...seem more in tune with your take than mine.

So be it.
 
Frank Apisa said:
As I understand it, if New York City were a country...it would rank 7th in the world for reported cases. AND its exponential progression (doubling time) is shorter than anywhere else.

People leaving NYC are asked to self-quarantine for 14 days. People who have recently visited NYC (of which there are tons here in central New Jersey) are also expected to self-quarantine for 14 days.

Stopping (actually, slowing down) the progression of transmission should be our focus right now.
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Blame that on selfish Hasidic Jews that refused to stop large gatherings Like weddings, Bar Mitzahs and social events!
 
Frank Apisa said:
You "trust"correctly. I guess I shoulda posted that in green font...to make it clear.

I think the reasonable, intelligent thing to do...is to treat the worst case scenario. If it turns out to be less than dire predictions, you just ease back. If you treat it as the best case scenario...and things start to go off the cliff...really bad things can happen.
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Of course you won't be around to witness the financial Depression that would follow.
 
Havana Moon said:
Of course you won't be around to witness the financial Depression that would follow.
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I think that you people who are so certain the right thing to do is "open the economy now"...should lead the way. Trump should start with a few of his rallies...like Falwell, Jr. did with his university.

Have a rally (or three or four) to tout opening the economy. Let all the Trump supporters get together and show the rest of us that we are cowards and short-sighted. The turn-out should be tremendous.

I'll watch from the safety of my home and be impressed...and perhaps a bit ashamed of myself for not being as courageous as you guys.

It will help the economy...help your party...help American conservatism...help re-elect Trump...

...and you've got nothing to lose.

No down-side at all.
 
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