Biden attacks Trump voters ( then says he can win them back)
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I don't value freedom, very much either.
What good for society are Illicit drugs, Abortion, Gangster rap music with cursing, Pornography, Hollywood raunchy smut & shoot up gore films, Strip clubs, Gay Bars etc. etc. etc.???????
Agreed about base voters and the Independents selecting the winner.
I think most Americans didn't trust Hillary and, since Trump was a relative unknown, "fence sitters" may have given him the benefit of the doubt. Besides, all it takes is a few percentage points. Those staying home are just as important as those switching sides. Voter turnout is a big deal. That's why Republicans traditionally like it to rain on Election Day.
http://www.electproject.org/national-1789-present
Althea
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Agree 100%. Kids and non whites couldn't be bothered. It does say something about Clinton's inability to inspire people to vote. Easy to forget that she was pretty much a guaranteed win.
In retrospect, Biden should not have stepped aside out of party loyalty. She could've been VP, and eventually POTUS
Before all this pandemic, I was watching the Polish ambassador to the UN being interviewed about life in the USA. He said he loved everything about the US except for two things. He did not like the "Polack jokes" because they not just belittled the proud people of Poland, but they also belittled the Americans for belittling the people of Poland. Poland has been an educated land which has suffered under many invasions by its neighbors.
The other thing he hated about the US was M&M's, because they are so damn tough to peal. In the back of your mind, you knew that was coming.
SERIOUSLY, Poland is great. They are learning English like a western country. They have moved from drinking vodka to drinking mostly beer, which has improved their society. They are part of the EU, so have freedom of movement throughout Europe... But huge numbers of them have moved to other parts of the EU. It sometimes feels like a ghost town, or a retirement community, where all the young have fled west leaving behind those too old to be productive. That is no joke, just an observation.
Apology accepted. It's a common fault here for members to think in terms of extreme; the "if you're not with me, then you must be with them" attitude.
Trump isn't leading. He's a showman who likes to be in the limelight....and he wasn't Hillary.
Reagan did lead and he continued to lead into his second term. I liked having Reagan as my President. He made a few mistakes, but he was man enough to own up to them and keep pushing forward. An inspirational leader too. By comparison, Trump is a used car salesman in a cheap suit.
trump's "charity" has plead guilty repeatedly, as has his corporation.
Hillary always had a shady cloud following her....and deservedly so. She was smart, smarter than Bill, but she seemed to like running right up to the legality and ethics line then dancing up and down that line. She knew where that line was and rarely crossed it without sufficient protections in place.
Althea
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Well, it's deeper than trump's propaganda. Ironically, trump makes Hillary look like an angel when it comes to using private email/phone/media with classified information. Sure...nothing is classified when the POTUS shares it.
Clinton had a vast multinational network of contacts from the foundation, and its work with world leaders. She claims to have used a private server that was in place in order to make it easier to work with said leaders.
Anything that was shared was not 'classified' at the time. Some of it was later classified, but nothing was 'secret'.
trump was successful at painting her as a crook. It wasn't hard to do, but the real crook is even worse.
Clearly Hillary is smarter than Trump. Always has been. Just because she's a much smarter crook than Trump can even hope to become doesn't make her innocent or better to be President. Although I'd prefer neither, I'd rather have an incompetent crook in the WH than a competent crook. Incompetent ones are easier to catch in the act....as we've already seen happen.
You are dreaming. But...you are a Trump supporter, so dreaming is all you have.
So...enjoy!
Althea
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Sounds like a kid who uses Wiki to try and catch up in the bigger discussions about history.
COMPLETE FUCKING LIE.
LET'S SEE THE VIDEO OF THE PRESIDENT INSULTING DONCE-O-CRAT VOTERS, LIAR.
delusional. she sent clearly MARKED CLASSIFIED across her server.
And she used an unsecure Blackberry to do it
We Warned Hillary Clinton Against Using Blackberries, Private Email
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...state-we-warned-hillary-clinton-against-using
Former Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security Eric Boswell revealed that when Hillary Clinton was the U.S. Secretary of State he warned her against using BlackBerry smartphones and personal email because they were at high risk of being hacked. Despite the warnings and national security risks, Clinton and some of her top staffers were "wedded to their BlackBerrys," said Boswell.
He also stated that he and other State Department employees "were surprised" to discover that Clinton used a private email, clintonemail.com, to conduct official government business.
^Benghazi -2012
'A New Libya with Very Little Time Left'
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/libya-isis-hillary-clinton.html
Two days before, Mrs. Clinton had taken a triumphal tour of the Libyan capital, Tripoli, and for weeks top aides had been circulating a “ticktock” that described her starring role in the events that had led to this moment. The timeline, her top policy aide, Jake Sullivan, wrote, demonstrated Mrs. Clinton’s “leadership/ownership/stewardship of this country’s Libya policy from start to finish.” The memo’s language put her at the center of everything: “HRC announces … HRC directs … HRC travels … HRC engages,” it read.
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I remember her flying into Tripoli and using her Blackberry even as she flew in.
She was the most responsible for the destruction of Libya -creating a failed terrorist state
Any convictions for racketeering, for being a grifter (sic) or a thief, Walter?
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People like RonMars are puppets. Their masters require that they memorize a set of supposed facts (stuff taken out of context) and spew it out whenever the opportunity arises.
All we can hope is that they are bots from a country determined to undermine us. If they actually are Americans...we are truly in trouble.
who are their "masters" Frank? So political disagreement to you is reduced to foreign bots. Amirite?
Originally Posted by Althea View Post
"Anything that was shared was not 'classified' at the time. Some of it was later classified, but nothing was 'secret'."
Wrong.
Statement by Jim Comey-"FBI investigators have also read all of the approximately 30,000 e-mails provided by Secretary Clinton to the State Department in December 2014. Where an e-mail was assessed as possibly containing classified information, the FBI referred the e-mail to any U.S. government agency that was a likely “owner” of information in the e-mail, so that agency could make a determination as to whether the e-mail contained classified information at the time it was sent or received, or whether there was reason to classify the e-mail now, even if its content was not classified at the time it was sent (that is the process sometimes referred to as “up-classifying”).
From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent."
fbi.gov
"Anything that was shared was not 'classified' at the time. Some of it was later classified, but nothing was 'secret'."
Wrong.
Statement by Jim Comey-"FBI investigators have also read all of the approximately 30,000 e-mails provided by Secretary Clinton to the State Department in December 2014. Where an e-mail was assessed as possibly containing classified information, the FBI referred the e-mail to any U.S. government agency that was a likely “owner” of information in the e-mail, so that agency could make a determination as to whether the e-mail contained classified information at the time it was sent or received, or whether there was reason to classify the e-mail now, even if its content was not classified at the time it was sent (that is the process sometimes referred to as “up-classifying”).
From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent."
fbi.gov
Yes, you are right, anatta.